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Muslims immigrants and being Australian : Comments

By Abe Ata, published 15/4/2015

It is my hope and indeed my belief that the new Australian identity will come to see Muslim-Australians as Catholic-Australians, Italian-Australians, Irish-Australians, etc.… that is, both Muslim and Australian.

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What would happen, Critic, should a war breaks between Australia and the Kingdom of Heaven?

I for sure will side with the Kingdom of Heaven, while you can stay with your mythic "Australia", a bully British sub-culture which falsely believes it has exclusive rights over this whole continent.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 16 April 2015 2:16:24 PM
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Armchair Critic, "The whole vibe I get from this practice is that were focussing on what makes us different instead of focussing on what we have in common.
And that line of thinking only ends up dividing people against each other."

There is power in it (and $$). A simple formula,
Difference -> claimed victimhood -> gravy train and a lifetime swinging from the taxpayer's teat.

Include the hordes of bureaucrats, advocates, journalists, lawyers and other professionals and it is a very big (victim) industry indeed.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 16 April 2015 2:42:55 PM
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21 Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. '

already happening Mc Real and mainly when Muslims convert to Christianity. also with the intolerance of secularism we see

'35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.'
Posted by runner, Thursday, 16 April 2015 4:13:39 PM
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"the intolerance of secularism"
Posted by runner, Thurs, 16 April; 4:13:39pm

runner, secularism ism't quite the negative some believe or portray it to be, pejoratively.

eg. ""Secularism has been variously defined as 'promoting neutrality/fairness in the public square', 'separating governance from religion', 'managing a society of diverse beliefs', 'a regime of religious regulation', 'opposition to religious or spiritual influences' and 'eliminating religion from politics and society'. The first three are what could be described as 'pluralist' conceptions, the latter three 'eliminative'.

"Yet self-proclaimed proponents and opponents of secularity are often unclear about the distinction between these competing meanings, their relation to different claims about post/secularization (the shift from primarily associational faith-based societies to technical post- or a-religious ones), and the possibility of new horizons and approaches.

"It is our conviction that conscious attempts are needed to engage thinking people of both non-religious and varying religious persuasions in considering models of secular/religious life which may be received as an invitation rather than a threat, as plural rather than monolithic, as inclusive rather than exclusive, and which move from 'thin' to 'thick' descriptions of "the good" as part of a rigorous but respectful conversation between different traditions of reasoning.

"At present there is a grave danger that these issues are being mired in simplistic media arguments and "the politics of competitive grievance" on all sides.""

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/SecularismReligion

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Posted by McReal, Thursday, 16 April 2015 7:38:48 PM
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You have to hand it to Abe Ata. While educated western people think that always opposing the interests of their own people makes them into intellectual and moral giants, educated Muslims like Abe are still loyal to their own people.

Abe's people are Muslims. Thank you Abe, for confirming what most Australians already appreciated, that "Muslim/Australians" consider themselves more "Muslim" than "Australian."

Now Abe and his people have a problem. Australians are waking up to just how dangerous Muslims are, and how our stupid politicians have introduced a cancer into our body politic. So Abe goes the reassurance path, even though he does a bad job of it. He waffles on about multiculturalism, because he knows that this will strike a chord with the stupid Australians who think that they can end all human conflict if everybody on planet Earth just joined hands and just sat around the campfire singing "Kumbaya."

Abe's contention that "there will always be differences" sounds reasonable, until you realise what those little "differences" are. They include restrictions on free speech, the murder of authors, journalists, or cartoonists who criticise Islam, honour killings, female circumcisions, 11 year old brides, , "no go " zones for non Muslims, Muslim "decency patrols" in "Muslim" areas, terrorism, female teachers refusing to work in schools with high infestations of Muslim boys, the concept that secular law must be secondary to Muslim religious law, the Muslim tradition of wife beating, and a few other minor 'differences" like how "cat meat" Australian women deserve to be raped by Believers. Yep, they are "differences" all right, Abe. So too is the fact that the Australian Armed Forces are now in Iraq fighting against 70 "Muslim/Australians." Thankfully, 20 of the sods have already been killed.

What holds every society together is the general acceptance of what constitutes correct behaviour, and the belief that we are united as a community. Unless Abe can explain how diversity causes unity, and how diametrically opposed cultural values can bring us together, than this is just another puff piece meant to lull the infidels into accepting more Muslim immigrants
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 17 April 2015 7:57:41 AM
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Quote: “if Australians were more knowledgeable about Muslims they would express more favorable opinions of Muslims and Islam”

Fact: Anybody knowledgeable about Islam knows that it teaches hate and violence, so ‘favorable’ opinions depend only on ignorance or fear.

Quote: “Moderate Muslims who keep their faith on a personal level avoid bringing religion into politics …who feel embarrassed at violent actions taken under the banner of their religion”.

Riposte: Too bad “moderate” Muslims don’t feel embarrassed about the hate and violence toward nonMuslims in the Quran (those “lower than animal” infidels), or the evil deeds of their prophet (who attacked his neighbors for 10years, committing all manner of atrocities).

Quote: (Muslim essays) cover a range of themes including cultural pluralism, …interfaith dialogue, …tolerance

Response: Oh yes, nothing like Muslims to teach infidels such virtues as tolerance and coexistence – just like everywhere in the Muslim world! Just like the Muslim immigrants that threw nonMUslims into the sea this week.

Do Muslims ever read a paper? Do they watch TV? Do they have a clue about the evil they do based upon the teachings in the Quran and the vile example of their prophet?

How can anybody write such utter garbage? Anybody who says that an Islamic identity is “soul searching, self-critical, reflective” is ignorant of the basics of Mohammad’s religion. I sure would like to find a Muslim website that discusses the vile portrayal of non-Muslims in the Quran or the evil deeds of their prophet. Show me a Muslim site that questions Mohammad’s rape of captives or the morality of attacking villages by night.

As I have been saying here for 12+ years, Muslims cannot live in peace, in numbers, with nonMuslims. They will try to impose their evil values on us and/or attack and kill us. Yet even I had no idea of the brutal barbarism of modern Muslims as we have seen in the last year. But again, they are just doing what Mohammad did.

We are doomed to tears and blood because of the evil that is Islam and the stupidity of our leaders.
Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 18 April 2015 10:27:57 AM
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