Extremely well argued, cogent and persuasive!

No matter how skillfully manipulated, blatant humbug will always remain humbug, or BS writ large!

And if the Brits are finally waking up to it, high time we followed that pragmatic lead!

Know the truth and the truth will set you free!

And that truth has to include, the west is not responsible for the for the ills that beset the Middle East, but Local dictators!

That we didn't steal their oil but bought it and for many years at over inflated economy killing prices.

Thankfully the Saudis have forced the prices lower and will likely continue to do so, as long as ISIL has any access to Iraqi or Syrian oil?

If I had a choice I wouldn't buy another drop of middle eastern sourced oil, the very source of much of ISIL's funds!

Saddam Hussein found ways to successfully smuggle it out, via Turkey, and no doubt so has ISIL?

We have plenty of much cheaper alternatives; and time to end the BS that keeps us importing M.E. sourced oil, and start exploring and exploiting the veritable smorgasbord of Indigenous alternatives!

I mean, its just not their pernicious propaganda and heaping helpings of humbug we need to stop buying!

Even where it is presumably dressed up in "green" safari suits, or endless copies of the emperor's new clothes!?
Rhrosty.

Charlie Hebdo and the West ARE guilty of doing wrong things, not anywhere bad enough to warrant murder, but they aren't pure as snow either and it's not "masochism" to point that out.

Mohamad Abdalla was probably correct in stating that the raids were "not the right approach" - such public raids were tactically unwise and only increase terrorist recruitment. It's better to have potential terrorists quietly "disappear" without a trace and with no explanations or admission, then finding themselves in some Muslim country without any recollection how they got there (and without Australian passports or any proof they were ever in Australia). Ignore his wise advice at your own peril!

Yuyutso would you care to comment on the teenage muslim who tried to kill two police in Endeavour Hills last year. Was that his support for his mate from Griffith University or that this blood thirsty behavior is just islam?
Personally I think we should embargo any more muslim immigration as they have proved so reluctant to join Australia.

"Extremely well argued, cogent and persuasive!" I agree Rhrosty, although I didn't need persuading.

Violence and terror are as old as Islam itself, Mohammed was a murdering bandit, the inconvenient truth is that the terrorists are simply imitating their prophet, they're good Muslims fighting the 1400 year war. It's extremely arrogant and patronising for the multi-culti clique to assign the blame for the creation of jihadis to Western prejudices, interference in the ME, or the wicked security apparatus, the reason is Islam.

The teaching of an objective history of Islam should be a compulsory high school subject.

"When someone attacks us, our first instinct is to think that we must have brought it on ourselves, that we must have done something provocative",

Yes, of course its our fault, the wife who gets beaten up, its her fault, the child who gets raped its their fault. What a lot of BS

IT IS NOT OUR FAULT, to want to live in a peaceful society, where we can laugh at each other.

have a look at the you tube video which explains it is ISLAM not us
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

Yuyutsu,

>>Charlie Hebdo and the West ARE guilty of doing wrong things<<

Depends on what you mean by “wrong”. If you leave your house unlocked and it is burgled the Insurance will not pay. Not because it condemns burglary. Neiother do I if I say you should have locked your house, although naturally it is the burglar who will be punished if caught, not you. On a larger scale, to assassinate twelve people (e.g. for a cartoon) is outrageously immoral, to provoke a billion of Muslims with a cartoon is not immoral only stupid, the same as leaving your house unlocked is not immoral only stupid. I think the author misses this difference.

When white europeans were busy with their dispossession and genocide of the native North american Indians . The White europeans rationalised their behaviour by portraying the natives as brutal bloody thirsty savages too. Is ISIL or Alquaeda or Iraq any different to the Apache, Cherokee ...?

The lies we tell ourselves, to justify crime

As for hedbo Charlie, I give the production quality of this road show 1 star.

as long as we continue to pay academics and the abc to paint terrorist as victims the outcome is obvious. Whether it is an aboriginal running amuck because we 'stole' their land or a Lebanese raping a white girl the same mentality leads to the same results. This article is very well reasoned but commonsense will not be adhered to as someone one day will have to give credit to values adopted by Chritianity in the West. This is more distasteful to many on the left than the obvious results of revisionist history and self loathing of a society.

That’s because wild creatures go into the winter fattening up in preparation for it. In the early half of winter, there is far more food than there is in late winter. Right now is the real bottleneck, the most difficult time to survive for wild creatures. Food is at its lowest level, and wild birds and mammals at their weakest, with less ability to resist cold ice or deep snow. So it is indeed the time you want to feed birds and keep corn feeders full.
It might be that the month of February just past, is the only month of February I can remember in which I didn’t catch a single fish. Because of that, I figure there will be more fish out there in rivers and lakes in March than ever before, so I intend to take advantage of it. While the late snow wreaks havoc on water temperatures, I think it makes it more likely that we will have a bumper crop of mushrooms in late April.
I don’t know why, but it seems that snow puts more nitrogen in the soil, and I think that must be the thing that mushroom seeds need the most. When I hear those cardinals singing like they have been, it really makes me think of [http://www.mushroomsworld.com/ and poke greens and freshly fried fish. Don’t anyone write me this year trying to buy mushroom seeds! I sold all of them last year and had all kinds of problems with folks who couldn’t get them to grow wanting their money back. What happens so often is that mushroom seeds, which are so tiny you can’t see them with the naked eye, are often spilled before the buyers get them to the woods where they want them to grow. And when you spill a pack of mushroom seeds, you don’t have a chance in the world of finding them and picking them up!

"Is ISIL or Alquaeda or Iraq any different to the Apache, Cherokee ...? "
Yes, the Apache and the Cherokee were peoples with a natural sense of honour and didn't follow the out of date dictates of a minor bandit chief who terrorized his way to power.

Yuyutsu,

CORRECTION:

My silly automatic spelling corrector ! Of, course it should have been "Not because it CONDONES (not condemns) burglary".

Your comparison is not relevant in the argument you're trying to put across.
However...
Of course its not right to sexually violote a woman on the basis of the clothes she was wearing or the way she was acting.
But if a woman puts herself in a situation where she is acting inappropriately then sometimes these kinds of things happen.

Say for instance a beautiful young half drunk and drugged out big-mouthed 19 year old woman was teasing a half drunk male adult with known mental issues and a history of violent sexual assault.. Teasing him, exposing herself, and saying "You want this? Well you cant have this, because you're a dirty old pathetic loser"
Would she have asked for it then?
Some might suggest she may have, at least in some small way.
So I disagree with you that "No mitigation could ever diminish the crime" on the comparison you made.

Deliberately inciting provocation towards the people of a religion who are known to defend the honour of their prophet is something completely different altogether.

But its a bogus artificially created war based on propaganda and lies with the purpose of taking down Iran and Russia.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13931216000838
Iran is a military threat to Israel, and Russia is a threat to the Petrodollar.

As for the rise of Islamic State being our fault for liberating Iraq, lets not forget that we were sold that war on the basis of WMD's, (which the US has routinely used in the past) and there weren't any.
Lets also not forget that it occurred under George Bush Jnr who's father failed in the first Gulf war in Iraq and occurred directly after 9/11 to which Iraq was not implicated.

That war against Saddam Hussein occurred because of a threat to the Petrodollar, just as taking out Gaddafi and destroying Libya also was, just as is happening now with Russia.

And btw, the thing the sets alarm bells ringing for me with the Charlie Hebdo possible false flag attack is that the Rothschild family purchased that magazine 1 month before the attack occurred.

What choice do people have except to blame themselves when we are sold lies and propaganda and are never told the whole truth?

As for your final argument that ‘we must be careful when we arrest radicalised young men, lest we end up creating more radicalised young men'.
This IMO was the exact argument NSW police had when they allowed the Sydney seige to continue instead of shooting the guy with the sniper they had in the Channel 7 across the road.
Why did they not just call in the military?
Leaving the people in more danger as the seige progressed, simply because they feared inflaming the Muslims and creating further terrorism.
It doesn't matter anyway because the police ended up killing hostage/s themselves anyway.

And please remember that if you are going to write a huge article, that we only get 350 words with which to respond to the topics you're putting across.

None of your comparisons were really valid, and I didnt have enough room to respond to all your arguments.

Yebiga,
The Cherokee stories are mostly myth, the "Trail Of Tears" occurred as a result of the corruption of their own elders, histrionic White authors like Dee Brown are responsible for much misinformation. The Oglala and Hunkpapa actually were violent savages who oppressed and enslaved many of the other tribes,that's why it wasn't hard for the vastly outnumbered Whites to recruit Shoshone and Crow warriors to fight against the plains tribes. The White "Army" of the wars of 1876 was barely a regiment, 2500 men who faced about 7000 Sioux, Cheyenne and Arapaho and, as we know fared badly.

It is pleasing to hear that the Brits are waking up to the threat.
The war was declared 1400 years ago when Mohommad started attacking
his neighbours for not accepting Islam. The Jews of course were the
most reluctant because they already had their Monotheistic God.
This war was declared on all ifidels unless they submit.

Well, now that Australia exists that declaration of war now extends to us.
The Government should declare that a state of war exists between ISIS,
Al Querida and any other Islamic terrorist organisation that puts its head up.
Having done that then the laws of war mean that all enemy aliens can
either be interned or repatriated. Those born here can be charged
with treason and given the option of being shot or repatriated to a
country that will accept them.

Now I am aware that my proposal will absolutely horrify the trendies,
greens, the human rights lobby and the Islamic excusers.

However it has long precedence and is legal in time of war.
Does anyone seriously deny that there is a war going on and agents
of the enemy combatants are operating in this country ?
Ater all Australian forces are attacking enemy forces !
A declaration of war clarifies everything.

A well written article Jed. One I agree with entirely.

I have noted that people like Yegiba etc, have deflected the arguement immediately with rubbish that has nothing to do with the article. It’s a well used tactic by Islamic Secularphiles.

Deflect, avoid, change the subject, bring in unrelated arguement, refer to our past ignore their own. Above all, never, never answer the question.

This is an example of what Islam eventually has in planned for Australia.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2388.htm. & you know it.

YEBIGA me ol’ mate. We haven’t finished the conversation on whether the Sun goes around the Earth or the Earth goes around the Sun. Why did you duck out? Find out the truth, didja?

Robert Newman's "History of Oil" has an interesting thesis about the West's relationship with the Middle East since WW1. He argues WW1 was the first of many invasions/wars of Iraq etc. It goes some way to explain why/how the West asked for it. The US, Brits, Australians etc are not innocent bystanders or even altruistic actors in this seemingly endless conflict in the Middle East.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCwafIntj0

Just think, if the West didn't go in & develop the Oil Fields All those Oil Sheiks would still be riding around on their donkeys. Ay.

Welcome everyone to ww3
Don't expect much to be left after this
Congratulations to all the walking dead who encouraged the USA overstep we could not end the world without you.
Good to see some wake up, a little too late, but the thought counts even if the cities and its people somewhat less.
The religious extremism was all a farce for western citizens to accept wholesale theft of resources from poor countries. Who was to know? Well it was all targeted at China and Russia and keeping them from challenging USA supremacy.