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Villification of the religious by the religious : Comments

By Vic Alhadeff, published 4/3/2015

Imagine if a religious leader stood on the streets of Sydney and openly called for the murder of people of another faith. It happened recently, and barely a word of condemnation was heard.

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Posted by Cody, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 5:08:07 PM
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Jay that just cost me 1/2 an hour. Started looking at videos about Jimmy Saville after that one.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 9:28:09 PM
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Dear Rhrosty,

<<Not all religions are religious, some are just controlling cults or even murderous cults,>>

Well, strangely enough people seem to make such errors as passing the said cults for a "religion" - they are not.

Religion is the process of bringing us closer to God, so if an organisation isn't doing that then why should we call it "religious"?

(those who do not believe that such a process exist, should for consistency claim that no religions exist)

If, as claimed by a member of this forum, religion had no prerequisites, then for example there exists the religion of "Macaroni-lovers" and anyone who likes macaroni can then be described as religious...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 11:40:42 PM
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certainly warmist have become a faith based religion.Then again its not surprising as secularism/feminism has numerous faith based dogmas.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 11:51:02 PM
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In 2002, a Victorian religious association called Catch the Fire ministries, organised a seminar on Muslim jihad which attracted an audience of 250 people in a community hall. Among the 250 were three Muslims sent by the Brack's Labor government's Equal Opportunity Commission who were primed to be offended.

One of the speakers was a Pakistani Christian who had fled Pakistan in fear of his life for being a Christian in a Muslim majority nation. He had lived in other Muslim counties and was well aware of the hostility and discrimination that Muslim have in their own countries for people of different faiths. As he talked, he cited passages in the Koran and Hadith that he said radical clerics used to justify armed jihad, looting, the killing of converts from Islam, the rape of captive women, lying for the faith, and more.

When asked by an audience member what should be done about Muslims he said "pray" and that Muslims "should be loved."

This was enough to get the Victorian EOC to swing into action and prosecute the Catch the Fire ministry for inciting racial hatred. The EOC had manufactured a complaint by sending Muslims who were determined to be :offended" and it would now be the prosecutor and judge.

Now, compare that incident to the one in Sydney where a Muslim organisation openly calls for Muslims everywhere to kill Jews, and that Judgement day can never happen until all Jews are dead. This is quite clearly incitement to violence. But double standard from government organisations can only be explained if one appreciates the concept that government bureaucrats think that Muslims are a minority that must always be protected, while Christians and Jews are fair game.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 5 March 2015 3:08:03 AM
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Yuyutsu,

I certainly hope you weren’t referring to me there.

<<If, as claimed by a member of this forum, religion had no prerequisites, then for example there exists the religion of "Macaroni-lovers" and anyone who likes macaroni can then be described as religious...>>

That would be rather dishonest. I said that non-violence is not a pre-requiste for religion, not that there were no pre-requistes. Rhorsty seems to have made the same mistake as you.

Ironically, it is you who thinks that macaroni loving could be described as a religion. Provided macaroni lovers think that loving macaroni brings them closer to god, that is...

<<Religion is the process of bringing us closer to God, so if an organisation isn't doing that then why should we call it "religious"?>>

But this is meaningless to anyone other than the individual who believes it until you can demonstrate that there is such a thing as a god (or no such thing as a god, in your case) and that it is possible to come closer to it.

<<Well, strangely enough people seem to make such errors as passing the said cults for a "religion" - they are not.>>

Most cults would actually fit the definition of ‘religion’ and satisfy what pre-requisties there actually are, at least: https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=define%3Areligion

Do you need a refresher course in all that we had discussed in that epic discussion of ours? It sounds like you do. Or perhaps, as so many others seem to on OLO, you think that discredited claims magically grow their validity back after while and may be repeated.

You're free to have your own definition of religion if you please, but you don't get to then run around telling everyone else that they're wrong because of it.
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 5 March 2015 7:28:31 AM
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