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Cruelty in PNG: hunger strike on Manus Island : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 22/1/2015

An indigent state such as PNG, with limited infrastructure and facilities to process refugees, let alone resettle them, actually imperils applicants once their claims are fully processed.

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Divergence, when I used the plunger on my bathroom drain this morning I did so because I noticed that there was a blockage. I could have taken the wider view that you are promoting in your comment, which is that the people who use that bathroom all have hair which may fall out in the shower and therefore, by unblocking the drain I am removing from them an obligation to take care of their own hair so that it doesn't fall out and block the drain.

I like a drain that works, though.

So what would you do?
Posted by Craig Minns, Saturday, 24 January 2015 5:26:30 PM
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AN IRANIAN immigrant sentenced to eight years’ jail for raping a teenage girl The university-educated Mohebbifar, who came from a middle-class Iranian family, told a psychologist that Western women were “portrayed as whores” in Iran.

Amir Mohebbifar, 27, ¬pleaded guilty to the aggravated sexual assault of the 19-year-old woman in an brutal early morning attack on Sydney’s Anzac Bridge on January 16 last year.

Mohebbifar admitted he had pushed the young woman into bushes on a pathway leading up to the bridge in Pyrmont and then proceeded to rape her.

In sentencing him yesterday, Judge Donna Woodburne said Mohebbifar had preyed on a vulnerable young woman who was simply trying to get home.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 24 January 2015 7:33:32 PM
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With typical generosity of spirit our Oz government will happily fly any of these gatecrashers, who don't like Manus, home anytime they ask.

This is exactly what they would be doing, to get a wife or two, the moment they had permanent residency in Oz.

Manus is a lovely island, out of the cyclone belt, not big enough to generate a sea breeze, but high enough in much of it to generate a cool breeze from the mountains out to sea at night.

It offers many of the things people dream of for their retirement.

It does rain a bit of course.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 24 January 2015 9:47:42 PM
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Ok, I see there is a surprising lack of curiosity regarding how so many people have drowned off our shores in the last 15 years - don't worry, Labor and Coalition governments have been equally uninterested. Which is surprising when we know for a fact Australian agencies ignored pleas for help on at least one occasion which led to the deaths of over 100 people. However, there has never been an independent inquiry into these drownings, or other ones like the SEIV X where 353 people drowned, despite repeated calls for one. So we can scratch concern for drownings off the list of reasons regarding why we put boat people in detention - saving lives at sea is not one of them.

Then we have those who say they aren't real refugees, they are economic migrants - if they were this, surely we would see more people from Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, PNG. But we don't. Boat people overwhelmingly come from places we know people are being killed and threatened by organizations like Al Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS, repressive regimes like Iran etc - the very organizations and regimes we are fighting against. Normal people don't leave en masse from even the poorest countries, they have families and communities they are connected with. Only when people are attacked and fear for their lives do they leave en masse.

Then we have those who think Muslims are especially worthy of fear and hate. The problem with promoting fear or hate of any group is that it makes no sense - everyone is capable of evil. Evil can reside in those we least expect like priests, youth workers, lovable TV personalities, magistrates etc. I could find many examples of people who are not Iranian or Muslim who have done even worse things than Lego mentioned, but what would that prove?

If you need to tell yourselves lies to feel justified in treating innocent men women and children with such cruelty, could you at least make them better lies as these ones are too easily refuted.
Posted by BJelly, Saturday, 24 January 2015 11:35:44 PM
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Dear Craig,

<<Hands up all the people on this forum who either arrived as refugees or had close relatives who did...>>

From the Australian government's perspective, I was welcomed because it improved their economy.
From my perspective I arrived as a refugee and economy was the last thing on my mind (had it been, I could have done well anywhere).

I also know someone who arrived from Peru because they were traumatised by earthquakes. The refugee convention does not include this as a valid cause, yet by common-sense they ARE nothing but refugees and BTW, economically they did better there.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 25 January 2015 1:24:00 AM
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To BJelly.

Your accusation that Australian authorities deliberately ignored distress calls from ships genuinely in distress, I find offensive. It clearly indicates your contempt for Australian society. If distress calls were ignored, it was because of the well known habit of the people smugglers to issue a distress call five minutes after setting sail from an Indonesian port, in the full knowledge that RAN ships would try to "rescue" their paying clientele of economic migrants.

After insulting my country and my people, you then expect me to support your claim that the boat people are genuine refugees? Well, I don't. Tamil people who feel persecuted in Sri Lanka need only return to their own homeland which is just 160 Klms away. The Iraqis and Afghans who feel oppressed by ISIL or the Taliban can support their own governments, and fight against them instead of having white Europeans do the job for them. The Iranians wanted a theocracy and they got one. Now they can live with the consequences. If the Iranians could forcibly remove the Shah, they can forcibly remove the mullahs if they want to.

Muslims are worthy of fear and hate because their holy book instructs them to be offensive to non Muslims. And in western countries, they are doing exactly as instructed.. High rates of welfare dependency and criminal behaviour, Muslim rape epidemics in every western society foolish enough to import them, teachers too frightened to teach Muslim boys, car crashes galore because Muslim men drive like kamikaze pilots on crack, and now terrorism.

The times, they are a changin', BJelly. The Europeans are being swamped by legal and illegal immigration which is causing serious social problems and bankrupting their economies. Far right parties are in the ascendency because ordinary people are sick and tired of moralising people like yourself, who want white western countries to commit social suicide through immigration. If the only people willing to fight for their own people are the far right, then people like yourself who obviously despise your own people, are enhancing the far rights reputation among western people.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 25 January 2015 4:11:53 AM
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