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Be productive, then procreate : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 14/1/2015

Children who grow up in welfare-dependent families are much more likely to be dependent upon welfare as adults. This is the unsurprising finding of Professor Deborah Cobb-Clark in the Youth in Focus research project.

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Eugenics is alive a well it seems. What nest force abortions and sterilizations for the long term unemployed, how about the disabled?

building a better class for people.
You need to take a good hard look at yourself.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 10:19:42 AM
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A dreadfully depressing article, with no worthwhile solutions.
All suggestions seem to target those dreadful women who will have sex and bring children into their 'bad' world.

Another solution could be that only those men with a job be allowed to have sex.
We could give out chemical castration coupons to the unemployed men when they pick up their dole.
No castration, no dole.
Simple.
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 10:53:28 AM
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What's my solution?

As for those already conceived, promises must be kept, but let the state cease to support future children in any way. No more law-enshrined maternal leave, no more state-sponsored health-care, no more state-sponsored child-care, no more state-sponsored schooling, obviously no more state-sponsored direct financial benefits.

People should pay in full for their hobbies, including procreation. There is no greater human-right to procreate than the human-right to play golf.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 11:03:49 AM
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Contraception is a must for those still at school but sexually active, regardless of their means; and the sexually active unemployed.

People need something to do, rather than resorting to booze; and or, sex to beat the boredom of life in post code poverty traps.

Poverty and disadvantage are indeed generational, and getting extreme right wing/nose in the air academics and their total lack of normal human empathy out of the debate, is the first part of any truly workable solution, Gary!

The second is requiring people to complete year twelve, which would make them more employable, and the third has to be insitu vocational training, so they can enter apprenticeships/skilled work, already with enough work ready basic skills to earn a quid for an employer.

There must be a well worn pathway for brighter kids to chose university; noting that these postcode poverty traps never ever have one.
But rather expect that people minus the means, are somehow expected to cough up with "real" living away from home expenses for kids.

We need compulsory training and boot camps for kids already with a foot in the door of prison.

No amount of dissecting of statistical data is going to change very much Gary, whereas some practical on the ground solutions just might.

And you need to factor in accidental/early death and divorce and their outcomes, before you start yet again blaming the victim Gary, which is almost a team sport these days, in the far right?

Given the children of divorced/dead/absent parents confront the very same issues every day.

Simply put Gary, nobody chooses to be born poor, let alone left in the hands of administrators, who are hopelessly incompetent, or willfully hostile, in dealing with the kids born into post code poverty traps.

Not for nothing are wealthy Australians gaining a deserved rep as being the meanest rich bitches in the entire developed world!

It's really is a case methinks of, "I'm all right jack, the rest of you can just go and visit the nearest taxidermist"!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 11:24:57 AM
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Didn't we just go over this a couple of weeks ago with a John's article?

The remedy for eugenics is Birmingham's article in the SMH.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/what-cheek-the-unwashed-are-breeding-20150102-12ggcd.html
Posted by Malcolm 'Paddy' King, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 12:27:59 PM
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A part of the picture that I could not see in the article was the proportion of children conceived while neither parent was employed.

Given the nature of the proposal that would be relevant. The proposal won't help at all with families where children were conceived while someone was working and the breakup occurred afterwards (and its my impression that the extra pressures of children can in many cases be the tipping point for relationships that are struggling).

I agree with part of the authors sentiments but very seriously doubt that this is a useful part of a strategy to stop inter-generational unemployment/disadvantage etc.

Options to reduce the government mandated negative impacts in a range of areas including the low financial difference between "benefits" and income from part time work, the cost of re-partnering, tax structures, keeping both parents involved in the childrens care (CSA formulas give reason in some cases to try to keep the other parent from having care) etc might be better places to explore.

No easy answers but this seems a poor place to start while sommuch else is ignored.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 1:50:31 PM
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