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Islamic State: the bogeyman haunting the Lindt Chocolate Café : Comments

By David Singer, published 23/12/2014

Prime Minister Abbott's attempt to downplay the threat to world peace and security constituted by the actions of Islamic State constitutes a serious error of judgement.

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On the origins of terror in the Middle East: Menachem Begin, head of the Zionist Irgun militia and later Prime Minister of Israel, was asked on American television, "How does it feel, in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?" Begin proclaimed, "In the Middle East? In all the world!"
My source for that is on page 61 of Alison Weir's 'Against Our Better Judgement'. This little book is required reading for anyone more interested in historical truth than partisan propaganda.
Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 7:42:36 AM
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@halduell,

<<Begin...the father of terrorism in the Middle East>>

So you would have us believe that before Begin (or Israel) there was NO Islamic terrorism ?

Either you are joking –or you are a joke!
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 7:55:51 AM
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@SPQR
I quote the man's own words.
And add on my own that the only bogeyman haunting the Lindt Chocolate Cafe is Zionism.
And that's no joke.
Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 8:05:57 AM
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'To admit that Muslims are a danger to their society would be to admit publically that they got it wrong in a big way. '

So true Lego not only of Islam but also the gw hoax. They need to keep the myth going. Pride is a horrible thing.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 9:02:17 AM
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It is nice to see almost everybody here saying the obvious: The problem is Islam. The greater problem is that our leaders – political, academic, the media and clergy, big business and most entertainment personalities – are either too stupid or afraid of loosing a dollar or being thought of as ‘intolerant’ that they push the “this has nothing to do with Islam” narrative. Our leaders continually lie to themselves and us. They would make a jellyfish seem firm and decisive.

The fact is that a Muslim – whether true, religious, moderate or unmosqued -- by definition believes the Quran and follows Mohammad. As I have said before , the Quran teaches hate, discrimination, slander and yes, calls to violence against non-Muslims. Anybody from Mars, or anywhere else, upon reading the Quran, would believe that infidels are really bad people. The same is true of islam’s prophet, a man consider to be a noble example. Well, this noble example did many, many evil things to his neighbors, according to all Islamic writings, including but not limited to murder, plunder, torture, rape and enslavement of men women and children. Some example…

The problem is not lack of integration, identity, racism, anti-social behavior, poverty, lack of education, zionism, jews, the crusades. The problem is an ideology that divides the world into two camps: us and them. The problem is a religion that has lots of rules and rituals but little morality. Actually, morality is for non-Muslims, since faith (belief) is the sole requirement to get to Islam’s paradise with the wine, 72 houri (either virgins or grapes) and little boys. There is none of that silly “repent, confess your sins and sin no more” attitude of the judeo-Christian tradition – say the shahada and you are good to go. Go and kill and it is better yet, for Muslims.

We are fools.

PS: How many other attacks this week? They (our leader, the media) tell us these are by ‘lonewolfs’, all unconnected, and ‘mentally unbalanced’ people (of course) and all unrelated to or motivated by any religion.

Like your humour, jamo
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 9:03:23 AM
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Halduell,

Speaking of quotes and reading, you really need to pay attention to words, if not history.

Begin was being sarcastic. Sarcasm is the use of irony to mock or convey contempt, in case you don’t know, which fits into the context you gave. That anybody should take it as an admission of universal guilt for all terror ever by Begin, as you do, shows a sorry lack of intellectual insight, or undeveloped sense of humour.

Also, any student of history knows that the jewish-palestian issue began way before Begin, even before the 20th Century – and not to mention that perhaps the problem started with Islam’s prophet and his wars on his neighbors, including jews.

Oh yes, Monis actually intended to display the Hesbollah “kill the jews” banner but picked up the black ISIS one by mistake. He also forgot to mention Israel in his three demands, but that was only because he overdosed on that good infidel chocolate. Good thing we have you to tell us the real issue at the café.

Know knows, maybe Boho Haram kipnaps and rapes because of the jews? Maybe the black Muslim in NY killed the police because he thought they were israelis? Maybe the Muslims in France that attacked innocents this week did it because of Zionist persecution? Maybe the hundreds of Muslims that targeted thousands of little girls in Rotherham did it to get back at Israel? One thing is sure, it is usually the jews, but never the fault of Muslims or Islam. Way to go, man!
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 9:41:26 AM
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