There would be no Islamic State if there had never been a Jewish State.

On the face of it, it would appear that Monis was a Muslim terrorist, influenced by IS.

MEH: There would be no Islamic State if there had never been a Jewish State.

Garbage. Islam declared War on the West in the 6th Century & hasn't stopped. They have to war with the West because the Koran says so. See below.

Truly, god loves those who fight

- Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them,
and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem.

- Chop off their hands and chop off their fingertips

- When you meet the unbelievers, chop off their
heads

- Fight and slay those who don't convert wherever
you find them

- Believers, take neither Jew nor Christians for your
friends

- Those who follow Muhammad are ruthless to
unbelievers

- Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures"
and thus deserve no mercy

- Fight them until Islam reigns supreme (throughout
the world)

Israel is just an excuse.

Is Mise: On the face of it, it would appear that Monis was a Muslim terrorist, influenced by IS.

A self styled one, but never the less he did support the IS. How many others support IS. Quite a few judging by the number stopped from joining them in Syria.

It begs the question. Why are we stopping them? Australia should be facilitating their departure & their families. Never to be allowed to return under any circumstances. It's only Common Sense for the safety of the Australian Community & our particular lifestyle, which they don't like anyway.

Possibly the most idiotic statement I've read = There would be no Islamic State if there had never been a Jewish State.

Is this an example of Arab logic or what?

Sock it to HEM Jayb --well said!

Exactly Conservativehippie, it's pre schooler logic; "Omar, Herschel made you hit him didn't he?".
That's just another example of the way Leftists objectify non Whites, Arabs are not responsible for their actions, they have no agency of their own and all their violence and stupidity is a reaction to "oppression".
Racists on the other hand stress the fact that Arabs are thinking, fully functioning people with their own set of ideas about how the world should work and a group agenda all of their own.

Yes I'm afraid our fire in the belly, belt 'em up prime minister is becoming a bit of a disappointment.

We need to root out who ever gave him the powder puff, & get him back on track

Yes David, but one swallow does not a summer make! Nor one lone terrorist WW111!

Had one or two of those patrons been armed and trained in the use of small arms, the only one needing to die at that time would have been the Muslim miscreant.

It's all well and fine for politicians to come down hard on weapons, and too easy when you're surrounded by the things 24/7, and in the hands of skilled marksmen.

As always in politics, the we usually means everybody else!
The sacrificial lambs and pawns, able to be able to armed in a heartbeat and rushed into harms way.

The mighty USA was beaten into cutting and running by a ragtag army funded by drugs and charity.

They dropped more bombs on Cambodia during the so called Vietnam campaign, than were dropped during WW11, and they sacrificed more young lives, than they spent during the European and Pacific campaigns!

White house staffers and or Presidents make notoriously inept generals!
And a power hungry Nixon was not only the most inept, but as history reveals, also corrupt!

And they tried to contain their war below a certain parallel, hoping not to involve the Chinese? Such was the fear of communism!

Your point about a state is well made, and given the resources they've acquired, are probably better funded than Charlie!

For mine, these local Muslim miscreants ought to be allowed to leave; never ever to return.
Simpy preventing their exodus is going to increase the rage and the compulsion to act!

And as long as the pollies are safe behind their private wall of steel, there's likely not to be something more pragmatic by way of response!

If the mistakes made en masse in Vietnam taught us one thing, they taught us there's no way to fight a limited war, and nor can the enemy be bombed out of existence.

You need boots on the ground, and fight on until certain objectives are taken and held; (Hanoi/Berlin) and the enemy thoroughly defeated; their land/gains forfeit and or occupied!
Rhrosty.

Well, it's finally happened, I actually agree with most of Singer's arguments in this article, this is another phase in a 1400 year war against Western civilisation.
What else could the PM say, other than the usual multi-culti platitudes? Some European politicians will openly face facts, but not, so far, here in Australia.

The term 'lone wolf' is pure sophistry, do terrorists have to be financial card-carrying members of a recognised terrorist organisation before they're officially classed as terrorists?

'The bogeyman in the Lindt Chocolat café won't go away because Australia's Prime Minister wants to put the term "Islamic State" out of sight and out of mind.'

so true David. Many 'progressives' insist this was a surprise. How utterly naive and stupid. Look at France, England, Switzerland, Italy, USA, Canada etc etc. All the pollies come out with the same garbage. One day they will see that they are the ones mentally challenged simply because the idiotic dogma of the progressives that all cultures and idologies are equal is fantasy. The hatred of Christianity and the family unit by regressives outweighs any commonsense when it comes to immigration. So ironic that this terrorist in Martin place had received a letter of commendation from the State Labour leader and yet like many of our regressive olo commentators showed a pathological hatred of Abbott.

Rhosty,

I am a trained marksman with rifle, pistol and machine carbine and had I been in the café and armed I would not have fired at Monis as he was carrying a backpack and may have been wired to cause an explosion.
The police did the right thing by not shooting him; it's easy enough to be wise after the event and the same situation will be played out again.
In fact the way he showed himself plainly through the windows indicated that either he was very careless or he was a human bomb daring the police to risk a shot.

It looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks.... What's wrong with our politicians? Abbot and crew have been quite a disappointment. Pandering to they 'luvvies' will never buy him votes, just more hatred, reminiscent of some here on this blog in the past, no matter the facts, just maintain the sickening illogical hate.

Runner,

I think you might be being too hard on the politicians. I think they are intimidated by the unelected infrastructure of special rights commissions and special broadcasting services and pretend academics who equate any straight talking about Islam with racism and hate crimes.

Picking on these poor misguided lefties, tch tch, none of you'll be invited to become a 'Green', will they Ms Hansen Young !

Of course shot's couldn't have been fired at the alleged offender ? It's against the law to discharge a firearm in or near a public place ? And you never know what politician that might be watching ?

Happy Hanukkah (December 16, 2014) and Merry Christmas David Singer

Yes Monis the Fake Cleric, Rapist and Murderer

Was consciously serving the interests of "Islamic" State.

driving cars into groups of people seem to be the latest Islamic thing with 2 in 2 days in France. Just 2 loners. Nothing to do with their belief system even know both drivers yelled AllahuAkbar before putting the pedal down.

Officer Barbrady says move along nothing to see here. Poor Tony. Got a bit of that midas touch in reverse thing happening. Or perhaps Peta ate his notes.
Can't be too hard on him. Must be hard trying to occupy the middle ground between blatently obvious and stubborn blindness.

Must be frustrating for the islamists too. Can imagine them throwing dried dates at the tv saying it is about us. Geez he had that flag held up to the window.
Maybe we can find common ground after all..

And crikey Rhosty. If we allowed people to posess arms if they wanted to we'd all have to be polite to oneanother. That'd be really bad. What sorta place do you want this to be?

Tony Abbott has joined the ABC and the unlikely association of western leaders from the right and the left, in trying to disassociate Islam from terrorism. David Cameron, George Bush, and Barack Obama have all made public statements claiming that terrorism and Islam are not related. Prime Minster David Cameron claimed that "Islamic extremism and Islam are not the same thing." (?) Bush claimed that "Islam is a peaceful religion, a religion which respects others". (?) President Obama stated that "Islam has always been a part of America's story." (?)

There has to be an explanation for the phenomenon of intelligent western leaders making public statements which are self evidently contrary to observable reality. We could be looking at the Stockholm Syndrome, but perhaps the real reason is more prosaic.

For almost fifty years, western leaders have been collectively enamoured with the concept of multiculturalism, and the concept that all human beings, cultures and religions were equal. Once this concept was universally accepted and internalised, the mass immigration of generally dysfunctional third world people into functioning first world communities was accepted by all western leaders as being no threat to the safety or stability of the societies which they were responsible for protecting.

The fact that Islam must seek to dominate all others in every society where Muslims live was something that western leaders never thought about. It is only now that they are realising the gravity of their mistake. This has left them all in a real quandary. To admit that Muslims are a danger to their society would be to admit publically that they got it wrong in a big way. It would mean renouncing their humanitarian ideals as well as telling the Muslims now resident in their societies that they are now to be considered a hostile presence.

Better to pretend that no problem exists and to make silly statements contradicting reality in order to calm the increasingly alarmed public. Better to grovel to our imported enemies in the forlorn hope that they will not follow Allah's directive to "fight the unbelievers who are near to you."

On the origins of terror in the Middle East: Menachem Begin, head of the Zionist Irgun militia and later Prime Minister of Israel, was asked on American television, "How does it feel, in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?" Begin proclaimed, "In the Middle East? In all the world!"
My source for that is on page 61 of Alison Weir's 'Against Our Better Judgement'. This little book is required reading for anyone more interested in historical truth than partisan propaganda.

@halduell,

<<Begin...the father of terrorism in the Middle East>>

So you would have us believe that before Begin (or Israel) there was NO Islamic terrorism ?

Either you are joking –or you are a joke!

@SPQR
I quote the man's own words.
And add on my own that the only bogeyman haunting the Lindt Chocolate Cafe is Zionism.
And that's no joke.

'To admit that Muslims are a danger to their society would be to admit publically that they got it wrong in a big way. '

So true Lego not only of Islam but also the gw hoax. They need to keep the myth going. Pride is a horrible thing.

It is nice to see almost everybody here saying the obvious: The problem is Islam. The greater problem is that our leaders – political, academic, the media and clergy, big business and most entertainment personalities – are either too stupid or afraid of loosing a dollar or being thought of as ‘intolerant’ that they push the “this has nothing to do with Islam” narrative. Our leaders continually lie to themselves and us. They would make a jellyfish seem firm and decisive.

The fact is that a Muslim – whether true, religious, moderate or unmosqued -- by definition believes the Quran and follows Mohammad. As I have said before , the Quran teaches hate, discrimination, slander and yes, calls to violence against non-Muslims. Anybody from Mars, or anywhere else, upon reading the Quran, would believe that infidels are really bad people. The same is true of islam’s prophet, a man consider to be a noble example. Well, this noble example did many, many evil things to his neighbors, according to all Islamic writings, including but not limited to murder, plunder, torture, rape and enslavement of men women and children. Some example…

The problem is not lack of integration, identity, racism, anti-social behavior, poverty, lack of education, zionism, jews, the crusades. The problem is an ideology that divides the world into two camps: us and them. The problem is a religion that has lots of rules and rituals but little morality. Actually, morality is for non-Muslims, since faith (belief) is the sole requirement to get to Islam’s paradise with the wine, 72 houri (either virgins or grapes) and little boys. There is none of that silly “repent, confess your sins and sin no more” attitude of the judeo-Christian tradition – say the shahada and you are good to go. Go and kill and it is better yet, for Muslims.

We are fools.

PS: How many other attacks this week? They (our leader, the media) tell us these are by ‘lonewolfs’, all unconnected, and ‘mentally unbalanced’ people (of course) and all unrelated to or motivated by any religion.

Like your humour, jamo

Halduell,

Speaking of quotes and reading, you really need to pay attention to words, if not history.

Begin was being sarcastic. Sarcasm is the use of irony to mock or convey contempt, in case you don’t know, which fits into the context you gave. That anybody should take it as an admission of universal guilt for all terror ever by Begin, as you do, shows a sorry lack of intellectual insight, or undeveloped sense of humour.

Also, any student of history knows that the jewish-palestian issue began way before Begin, even before the 20th Century – and not to mention that perhaps the problem started with Islam’s prophet and his wars on his neighbors, including jews.

Oh yes, Monis actually intended to display the Hesbollah “kill the jews” banner but picked up the black ISIS one by mistake. He also forgot to mention Israel in his three demands, but that was only because he overdosed on that good infidel chocolate. Good thing we have you to tell us the real issue at the café.

Know knows, maybe Boho Haram kipnaps and rapes because of the jews? Maybe the black Muslim in NY killed the police because he thought they were israelis? Maybe the Muslims in France that attacked innocents this week did it because of Zionist persecution? Maybe the hundreds of Muslims that targeted thousands of little girls in Rotherham did it to get back at Israel? One thing is sure, it is usually the jews, but never the fault of Muslims or Islam. Way to go, man!

Haldwell: I quote the man's own words.

I supposed the Journalist asked a stupid question, & I agree with Begin. It deserved a stupid answer. It's what I would have said.

Journalists do ask some stupid questions, & each journalist in a mob asks the same question over & over in an interview. Why is that? Don't they listen to what the journalist ahead of them asked? You see them at an accident shove a Mike in the victims face and ask, "Are you hurt?"

Ol' Joe had it right when he called them, "Chooks."

This is only the start imo of these types of terror attacks.

No politicians in Australia with a very few exceptions are educated on Islam enough to take it seriously imo. Mainly rely on advice from their public servants most of whom as left wing so defend Islam and condemn any resistance. See Muslims as oppressed by whites.

And groups who band together to fight Islam will be treated far worse for just that. As we have seen already with a couple of men saying so called 'racist' remarks outside La Kemba Mosque and they are in jail but the Muslims in the brawl are seemingly not counted as committing array.

Therein lies a nasty situation here more and more non-Muslim unemployed youths will join and fight these enemies of the people and themselves too as feeling slighted in their own country etc. All the qualifications for civil unrest to develop.

Unlike the media's view, the majority of Australians are not afraid to state their feeling that Muslims are no longer as welcome here.

@ kactuz & Jayb
Sorry, guys, but he really did say that. Admittedly, at the time he was flushed with pride following the Irgun gang's massacre at Deir Yassin and the blowing up of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, so perhaps a bit of hyperbole could be allowed.

MarsbarKid,
It's more complicated than that, politicians do understand Islam but it's a sensitive issue because Muslim immigration to Australia has always been justified on humanitarian (ie political) grounds rather than economic considerations like in Europe.
While we were shipping in Yugoslavs,Italians and Greeks to fill labour vacancies in the 1950's Europe was shipping in Turks, Pakistanis and Arabs.
The reality is that Muslims have contributed nothing and taken everything they can from Australia, but it's an understandable reaction considering that Australia asks nothing of non European migrants in return for asylum.

Obviously some posting are deliberately or erroneously confusing radical Islamists with Muslims and Zionists with Jews
Not all Muslims are radical Islamists and not all Jews are Zionists

Phil R: Not all Muslims are radical Islamists and not all Jews are Zionists.

True, but there are more radical moslims islamists per head of moslim population than there are Zionists per head of the Jewish population.

The Zionists are nowhere near as radical as islamists. Come to think of it, I've never heard of a Zionist lopping any infidel head off just because they weren't a Zionist. Have you? I haven't heard of any Zionists demanding that Jewish Law be implemented Nation wide in any Country they've snuck into. Have you?

Given a choice between the two. Who would you trust with your life?

Any attempt to juxtapose radical Islam and Zionism is patently absurd ? It's my belief the greatest threat to world peace, or any hope of establishing lasting harmony between nations, is overtly threatened by Islamic radicalism, in toto ?

These ISAL people will slowly adulterate and befoul the entire Middle East with their doctrine of violence and medievalism. Together with their hysterically demented philosophies of attaining complete sharia law throughout the world !

Therefore it's up to us, the Western nations to interdict these murderous brutes now. Though with that awful excuse of a US President, Mr 'Banana' OBAMA, that seems highly unlikely indeed ? Nevertheless these Islamic outlaw groups will grow exponentially, to become an incurable malignancy upon world harmony and lasting peace !

Proven Fact.

Not all Christians support Israel.
Not all Muslims support IS.
Not all Orthodox Jews support Zionism.

Anyone that doesn't accept this as fact, is a 'useful idiot' or a 'chump'.
They are just the target of successful 'social engineering' or 'brainwashing'.

Stereotyping one group of people so another group of people buy into something and support an agenda.

You have the smart people that think deeper about things and learn the facts.
Then there's the stupid 'useful idiots' that jump on the bandwagon of the first thing they are told, and follow like sheep with a hive-mind or ego mentality.

I thought there were intelligent people here.
Watch these and learn something.

http://youtu.be/0xe5cQDIbMs
http://youtu.be/p-0BPMwgKNA

David Icke is probably the most obvious example of a bandwagon hopping useful idiot, did you know he's doing "race realism" now?

Armchair critic you are wrong with your silly stuff. You treat other peole here as stupid when they are not stupid. And that's very rude of you. You hide behind your armchair critic because you are rude you don't need to be rude to everyone on this subject. Everyone has a opinon about things and they are not always right or are they wrong its a opinon that's all. Please be more nice to people please.

Islamic State is a Western creation just like Al Qaeda. The West create their own enemies as an excuse to invade countries for energy and strategic positions

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-empowers-islamic-state-isis-terrorists-in-syria/5421424

Arjay: Islamic State is a Western creation just like Al Qaeda.

I knew it. IS is just a Western Conspiracy Theory. It doesn't exist. Thank you for bringing that to our attention Arjay.

What's the matter Arjay? Wouldn't they let you join? Weren't you bad enough for them? Have you got the crankys with them?

Now I'm really confused. Who is lopping heads off in the Middle East? or is that only a furphy too?

Who is that masked man riding off into the Sunset? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No... It's, it's The Lone Wooliff, That's who it is. 'Nite Ralph.

"Now I'm really confused. Who is lopping heads off in the Middle East? or is that only a furphy too?"

I believe ISIS is...and a more diabolical outfit of humans would be hard to find.

Saudi Arabia has been lopping off heads by the dozen this year...but the Saudis are apparently just hunky dory with the West....even here for the G20. In fact, on the "climate issue" they were Australia's best friend.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html

"The escalation of the war against the Islamic State was triggered by widespread revulsion at the gruesome beheading of two American journalists, relayed on YouTube. Since then, two British aid workers have met a similar grisly fate. And another American has been named as next in line by his terrorist captors.

Yet, for all the outrage these executions have engendered the world over, decapitations are routine in Saudi Arabia, America’s closest Arab ally, for crimes including political dissent—and the international press hardly seems to notice. In fact, since January, 59 people have had their heads lopped off in the kingdom, where “punishment by the sword” has been practiced for centuries."

poirot: In fact, since January, 59 people have had their heads lopped off in the kingdom, where “punishment by the sword” has been practiced for centuries."

I really don't care, as long as they're not Western heads. The more the merrier. I guess they're not doing anything they haven't done for the last 1700 years. As long as they leave the West alone & don't mind a bit of help. If they ask for help I'm sure the West will oblige, if they ask nicely, of course. Dunnys against $hits this week the other way around next week. All good fun as long as they keep it over there & they keep their "deranged individual men" in their own Countries.

Jayb does not like the truth. Here it is again."Islamic State is a Western creation just like Al Qaeda. The West create their own enemies as an excuse to invade countries for energy and strategic positions."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-empowers-islamic-state-isis-terrorists-in-syria/5421424

Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 December 2014 3:58:34 PM

arjay, I really don't care, as long as they're not Western heads. The more the merrier. I guess they're not doing anything they haven't done for the last 1700 years. I say, let them enjoy themselves. If anyone wants to join them from Australia, great stuff. Forget about coming back though. I am most disappointed with Tony not letting them go, most disappointed indeed. In fact I'm Miffed.

By the way what are you & poirot doing back?

As long as they leave the West alone & don't mind a bit of help. if they ask nicely, I'm sure the West will oblige, of course. But only if they ask for help.

Dunnys against $hits this week, the other way around next week. All good fun for them as long as they keep it over there & they keep their "deranged individual men" in their own Countries. I really don't know why Australia is stopping these "deranged individuals" from going to join their fellow "deranged individuals."

What did he say in the Life of Brian, "We are all individuals." I particularly liked the Suicide squad. I thought that was brilliant.

Watching the Middle East is so amusing. "Always look on the bright side of life, Dumb dumb, dumb dumb." All good, ay.

misanthrope
"Everyone has a opinon about things and they are not always right or are they wrong its a opinon that's all. Please be more nice to people please."

I agree and I will try.

This ISIS business.. It's crazy if you ask me.

You've gotta ask the right questions..
why do western governments make a case for war against them, only to play it down when acts of terrorism occur on our shores?

Why do they say its not Islam?

1. I think they want to play down the hand they played in arming, funding and supporting them, (Our government supported this) and of using a divide and conquer strategy against Muslims. The prize is still Syria.
2. They are mercenaries. They are paid to fight.

I think people should take the time to listen to what Vladimir Putin said at Valdai.
Its probably the best speech I've ever heard from any world leader.
http://youtu.be/9F9pQcqPdKo
The comments from the US spokeswoman at 1:57:00 and Putin's responses are quite interesting.

This might help too.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

There is a Islamic religious aspect to ISIS in that they (think they) fight for the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. But this is just a guise to get radical extremists to perform the will of western governments in the Middle East.
The leader of IS was Mossad trained, and ISIS uses a Ghengis Khan strategy in which they kill everyone and everything.
Women, children, livestock.
This way when one village hears that IS is coming, they just pack up and run for the hills.

The stuff we are experiencing from radical Islam is something the United States refer to as collateral damage.

The problem is Western nations support for the US and their imperialist ambitions.
The ultimate goal is a one world government, and the US is just a tool to achieve this and must also eventually be destroyed.
It will happen financially like the Soviet Union.

Order out of chaos.

http://www.alanhart.net/for-the-occupied-and-oppressed-palestinians-un-means-useless-nations/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlanHart+%28AlanHart+%28Recent+Posts%29%29

Many years later a long serving, very senior and universally respected UN official said the following to me in his office on the 38th (top) floor of the UN’s headquarters in New York. “Zionism has corrupted everything it touched, including this organization in its infancy.” I knew, really knew, that he was reflecting the deeply held but private view of all the top international civil servants who were responsible for trying to make the world body work in accordance with the ideals and principles enshrined in its Charter and international law.

AC: The ultimate goal is a one world government, and the US is just a tool to achieve this and must also eventually be destroyed.

Well if we are going to have a One World Government by the West or Zionism it would still be a Trillion times better than a One World Caliphate anytime. Ay.

MEH: “Zionism has corrupted everything it touched,

& You would replace it with Islam, I suppose? WTF. You talk about Corrupt, Let's start with Halal Certification, moslem charities & a world of continual murder in the name of allah. Sounds like Paradise. Ay.

Jayb

"Well if we are going to have a One World Government by the West or Zionism it would still be a Trillion times better than a One World Caliphate anytime. Ay."

Interesting question.
I've got to say you've cornered me with that, and it feels like a feces sandwich.
Thats my code word for politics and democracy.

Say you are offered a feces sandwich cut in half.
And someone pats you on the back and says
"Hey dont worry, you get to choose which half of the feces sandwich you'd like to eat."
That's democracy. Its about having to choose when both sides lack appeal.
And whatever choice you make you are going to have to eat you know what.

There's many many pros and cons on both sides to your question.

And without going into details, I'd take the easy way out and say that if we have time up our sleeves to have a say or determine the outcome of the new world order then I choose neither.

If there is to be an eventual one world government (Its inevitable)

Then all I care about is freedom, liberty and equality for everyone.
(This includes Jews/Zionists, members of the Vatican, Royalty, Oligarchs and the elite.)
I'm not prejudiced in any way on this.

I believe that people have the right to live however they choose, but when someone does something that affects someone else in an adverse manner - then somethings gotta change.

I don't want a Master class and a Slave class.

Respecting peoples right to choose whatever religion they want.
- A persons spirituality is between them and their god.

Respecting borders and ethnic nationalities and keeping multiculturalism to a minimum to reduce conflict between people.
Not dividing people against each other and creating wars as a political tool to forward an agenda by the ruling class.

Mutual respect between people and taking real responsibility for yourself and your family.

Using technology to empower us not imprison us.

AC: Say you are offered a feces sandwich cut in half.

The Proper term is "$hit Sandwich."

You have me a little confused here. Are you saying that the Sandwich is Democracy in one half & Zionism in the other half or Democracy/Zionism in one half & the Caliphate in the other.

I take it that you are an old Commo from way back & I have to remind you that it was a great theory that just didn't & still doesn't work. I just don't understand why they would murder more of their own people then they did killed by the Germans in WW2 in the name of freedom?

AC: Then all I care about is freedom, liberty and equality for everyone.

I can't see you getting this with a Caliphate. Can you? The similarity between the Caliphate & Communism is zilch. Either you toe the given line, "In toto" or, "Off with their head!"

AC: Respecting peoples right to choose whatever religion they want.

Or none at all. Well that's something that wouldn't happen under a Caliphate. Ay. & With Communism.. Siberia if you did have a Religion.

Come to think of it Democracy/Zionism is looking better all the time. Do you think it really matters if Zionism is the World Bankers. At least they have to keep the money flowing to everyone if they want the System to work. I can't see them letting the workers fall into 16th Century poverty that would defeat the very purpose of the OWO.

On the other hand, with a Caliphate the World would fall back into the Dark Ages. with Ultra Rich Sultanates & peasants as in most Islamic Countries nowadays.

Hello Jayb,

No, my feces sandwich metaphor has nothing to do with Zionism.
Its just about the two party system of politics in general (In our country Labor and Liberal) and of having two major parties that both lack appeal, and of having choice but of having no party to really support (as both are halves of the same feces sandwich) and of having to choose the lesser evil.

And no, I'm not for Communism.
I've read a little about the Cheka and NKVD and I certainly don't wish for that.
I'd like to add the link to the Cheka murder room in Kiev but I cant find it atm.
Horrific stuff, and I think best not to discuss it on here considering what I am about to say next.

I don't want to come across as racist against the Jewish people, because I do believe in freedom and liberty for everyone, and I don't like to think my criticism of Israel is unfair. I am however somewhat skeptical about the true nature of Zionism, just as others are skeptical of Islam.

Karl Marx and Freidriech Engels (both Jewish) issued 'The Communist Manifesto' in 1848.
Marx was descended from a long line of Rabbis who were so-called "Talmudic scholars." This is the source from which his communist philosophy springs. The Talmud preaches a tribal form of socialism with ownership of property to be controlled by elders of the community. This is the basis of the Kibbutz communes in Israel. The Talmud also preaches that members of the Jewish race are superior to all other races. It says that Jews rightfully own all the wealth of the Gentiles and should dominate them.

Socialism and Communism started in Soviet Russia with the actions of Leon Trotsky, funded by Jacob Schiff, an American banker (both Jews). There is also the execution of the Russian Imperial Romanov family, Tsa Nicholas II, his wife and 5 children.
Soviet Russia was predominantly governed by Bolshevik Jews.
(So they weren't actually murdering their own people, the Jews were murdering Christians - up to 66 million of them)

So no, I'm not going to get freedom, liberty and equality for everyone with either Communism or an Islamic caliphate (taken on face value - Islamic extremism included).
Although I don't advocate socialism or Communism, I will say that Stalin's Communism was Marxism at the barrel of a gun, from what I understand.

I must say however I'm not convinced as yet that Islam on its own is as bad as what it is, though I'm not sure. (I have seen the videos of extremists throwing people off buildings and beheadings and the sexual mutilations of thousands of women so I'm not completely ignorant if I don't seem outraged at Islam) It is supposed to be a religion of tolerance from what I know, but I am not a Muslim and don't know a real lot about it. I was raised Christian.
I do know that Jews are about Usury (interest) where Islam supports a free market, Gold and silver as real money and no interest on loans, but other than that I am sketchy on details of Islam and the Koran.
I must add though that to say that Islam preaches that non-Muslims should be killed, well it also says things in the bible that would not be acceptable in today's society.
Killing homosexuals and such.

But Western political interests and the Islamic extremism funded by the west is a different thing altogether. I hold the same level of disgust and repulsion to this IS terrorism as any other normal person does.

But I will say however that I do in many ways hold US foreign policy to blame for the mess, as much and if not more than I do average well meaning or good Muslims themselves, but would never take a side that any form of terrorism is justified because of this belief.