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A failure of moral leadership : Comments

By Neil Francis, published 28/11/2014

Victoria's political leaders look the other way on voluntary euthanasia law reform leading up to Saturday's vote.

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Throaty it is people like yourself and the religious right around the world who one hopes will die spewing up faeces from their mouths, let's hope you all enjoy it.
Posted by Ojnab, Friday, 28 November 2014 7:58:28 PM
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HASBEEN...

You have indeed been through the wringer and then some ! Geezz mate, irrespective of how bad it gets count to ten, twenty, a thousand even ! I've got similar problems, but from quite different causations. Once you're gone, there's no TR7 nor Honda ? Who'd care for that beautiful old stallion of yours ?

Tell me to mind my own flamin' business HASBEEN. I'll share with you a little fact on suicide I learnt in the coppers - people who take their own life, it's those who remain thereafter who are the victims ?

This year, 2014 has been a bastard of a year for me ? My dear 'first wife', took her own life on March 11, about 0600hrs, of this year. Despite attending police, the Qld Coroner, I found out very few of the specific particulars touching on her suicide. Words like chronic pain, loneliness, a sense of abandonment were chief amongst the complex reasons for her actions ? I'm still tearing myself apart believing our divorce was a major contributory factor ? Though I remarried, she didn't ? Look I'll not continue on any further with this, as it still hurts like hell mate, it really does.

Anybody contemplating ending their own life, think of the real victims - those who you leave behind, with all those myriad of unanswered questions.
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 28 November 2014 8:58:04 PM
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That would be hard to take old mate, but you can't blame yourself for others actions. You may worry you had some part of the cause, but it probably had nothing to do with you.

I'm no where near pulling the pin. As I said, my troubles are not great, & I have a great deal of enjoyment in my life. I expect to have many good years yet. I would just like to know that if/when it does get really bad, I have a way out that does not cause any extra difficulty to me, or my family.

That drive with my daughter that screwed my back for a few days was actually to a surprise the kids had arranged for me.

It was 20 laps of Lakeside race track in an aging open wheeler race car. How good is that? I last drove round Lakeside in 1968 in the BT23 Formula 1 Brabham Repco.

It is not something I would ever have organised for myself, but that the kids had organised it for me was really terrific.

Thankfully I felt no need to break any lap records, so I did not bend the car. I had forgotten how much stress the centrifugal force achieved by an open wheeler puts on the body, which may have upset the back a bit too.

Actually trundling around quite carefully I was trying to remember what it was like to set lap records in a similar thing. It is so long ago, it is hard to relate to it now, it is in fact hard to believe I ever did it.

How fresh are your memories? Or is it for you too, like you are looking into someone else's life.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 28 November 2014 10:06:06 PM
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Has, I've had my back broken in five places, followed by multiple major spinal surgery.
So I hear and empathize with everything you're are saying.
Not so long ago we discovered some marine sourced narcotics, that are said to be a thousand times more efficacious then morphine, without the usual side affects, namely premature death!
I don't know what the problem is, aside from the fact they're said to be highly addictive?
Simply put, hardly a problem for the terminally ill, or the older folk who can live with permanent addiction, but not endless 24/7 chronic pain!
There is a relatively new procedure you might try, given some of the symptoms you describe, could be coming from a collapsed vertebrae, [not uncommon in older folk; and as indicated by some rides/positions being less painful than others?
And there's nothing worse for a professional driver, than the passenger seat and or passenger side brakes that just don't work, even when you floorboard them!
And hardly conducive to relieving back pain?
And perhaps relatively easily fixed and no worse than a lumber puncture, where some cement is pumped into the collapsed vertebrae, and when the thing is pumped back up; the cement hardened, and vertebrae, [usually at the sacral/lumber junction,] at its proper load carrying angle, far less stress on the entire back; and more or less permanent relief in minutes.
Other than that and again in a day clinic, you could try pawpaw injections, which are claimed to dissolve some of the crumbs of hardened disc material trapped in the nerve exits, which cause huge referred pain, down the sciatic pathway.
Incidentally, the inverse therapy works better if you do calorie consuming crunches, while hanging upside down; the only contraindication, being high blood pressure!
Work into it over three or four months.
Check it out, even if nothing is gained, you'll be no worse off.
And don't be put off by what other people believe, even your professionally qualified kids!
It's your body and you know best what works for you!
Cheers, Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 29 November 2014 10:36:45 AM
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Been there done that Dave!
As long as the patient is comfortable, and there remains some quality of life, there's no reason to prematurely end it!
Yes caring for someone 24/7 is a slog, but particularly if you can damage yourself by being forced to pick them up when they fall and need to be placed in the coma position!
Even so, and knowing what I know now, I'd do it all again than see someone I cared for, put down like a dog.
And in too many cases, wanting out because they were old, lonely and unwanted; or just felt useless/a burden.
Look, before rushing to premature judgement, suggest you get and view as a DVD, Still life, if only to understand all the reasons we cannot allow this to become par for the course.
Even as we turn a blind eye to it in the death rooms of hospitals, as sick patients require more and more morphine to quell the pain!
Yes I understand that very ill people can sometimes suffer projectile vomiting.
Happened to me, and when home alone.
Not pretty, but I dragged myself around got over the problem and got well, thanks to my knowledge. Only to be felled by a heatwave and multiple PE's!
And survived them and the unrelenting unending unbearable pain, thanks to untiring professional care!
And when I say untiring, I don't mean that nurses don't get tired, but all to often leave their work stations trembling with extreme fatigue.
You have a nice day now, Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 29 November 2014 11:13:57 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people do not like VE but never mention the word war, obviously killing is ok with the latter but someone like myself wishing to have my life ended will not condone what I want, that is what I want not what you want, so get out of my life.
Posted by Ojnab, Saturday, 29 November 2014 2:33:25 PM
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