James,
So what's the "motif" of the group which will attempt to turn this into a colour revolution?
In Ukraine it was Bandera and Sig runes, what's the go in Honkers?
I don't know anything about counter culture in China or Hong Kong, I can't imagine there are many Fascist styled groups there nor religious movements to be exploited such as in the Arab spring. What are we looking out for?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43i1FRDZSmg

Jay, the point I was trying to make is that most of the so-called democracy movements in different parts of the world are usually no such thing, and when they are they are often co-opted by US sponsored groups for geo-political purposes.

We saw this in Ukraine when a genuine protest movement was quickly usurped by neo-Nazis. Victoria Nuland was the prime planner there. The object of the exercise was nothing to do with any aspirations the Ukrainians might have had: it was all about expanding NATO eastward, tasking over the Sevastopol naval base, and continuing the infiltration and disruption of Russia to prevent it becoming (with China) a threat to US hegemony.

That is precisely what is happening in Hong Kong. Before some of the usual suspects on this site accuse me, again, of anti-Americanism let me point out that there is plenty of literature out of US think tank land and elsewhere that spells this out quite blatantly.

James,
We're on the same page, it's obviously not what it seems I just wondered since the stated goal of occupy central is not regime change what the U.S agent's angle might be in this situation?
In Ukraine it was Right Sector and the symbols, the wolfsangel and sig runes immediately identified the motif, all I've seen from Hong Kong are your fairly standard fake left groups similar to Socialist Alternative and the usual occupy street theatre, nothing really stands out as out of place at this point.

Hi James

Sounds like the Third International - all those so-called "progressive" groups of scruffy bohemians into spouse swapping.

I mean China's Communist Party has more $$ Billionaire kids than the US Republican Party - a worthy aristocracy.
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Hi Jay Of Melbourne

You're right about some PLA units refusing to fire on the Tiananmen protesters in 1989. A Division based near Beijing was near mutiny, troops battled troops. Finally the PLA leadership ordered an Mongolian motorised division (mean unread bastards) to literally crush the wayward intellectual "crypto-capitalist" protesters.

Here is the most famous Tiananmen casualty http://youtu.be/YeFzeNAHEhU later taken away and fatally re-educated by good Communists.
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Hi Rhrosty

I think Chinese is so worried about seperatist provinces and territories - a tighter grip is essential - a bit like all French forced to speak the Parisienne dialect.

Hong Kong is such a key business asset for the region I don't thing Japan would want HK's economy damaged.
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Meanwhile the HK authorities are getting fed up with stopped traffic. The police may clean up the protest tonight or tomorrow.

Regards

Pete

Pete, not for the first time I haven't a clue what you are talking about. It seems to me that it is completely off topic.

It appears that you have been completely captured by the western press's version of what happened in Tiananmen Square. You might like to read an article by Brian Becker published on global research.ca on 4 June 2014, the 25th anniversary. I am not saying that Becker is entirely correct, but if one is going to raise the bogeyman of the Chinese government poised for a repeat performance, which was the thrust of your article, it helps to have knowledge of alternative viewpoints.

As I have been discussing with Jay, the issues here are rather wider anyway.

Any Western response to a crack down would most likely be more muted than in the Ukraine.

China is the US's banker. What should the US do if the Chinese react forcefully? Refuse to pay its interest bill?

I understand the Chinese position. The Chinese leadership's biggest fear is instability. Could you imagine a country with 1.3 billion people suffering a situation like Iraq? So while I categorically think democracy is the best form of Government, I have no desire whatsoever to impose it on others.