Imperator,

You still haven't said how you would disarm the criminals, they don't obey the laws now and didn't obey them when the penalty for murder was death.
You aren't going to frighten such people into disarming.

So, once again, how are you going to disarm the criminals?
That is, how are you going to take their guns away from them and how are you going to stop them from making their own?

EmperorJulian

Stop trying to squirm out of it. If it's a straw man to say you believe in unlimited state power to kill its subjects as slaves, then answer the question you evaded.

By what principle do you say state power should be limited, that does not consist of the state exercising a self-granted monopoly and unilateral discretion of deciding for itself as the ultimate decision-maker whether to use aggressive violence for whatever it wants?

JKJ

By what principle? Normal people call it democracy.

Julian
So in principle there's nothing wrong with shooting people dead or threatening to cage and rape them to force them to obey and submit to anything whatsoever so long as a majority vote for it, or rather, so long as a government voted for by a majority does the predation and enslaving? Please admit that's what you're arguing; but if not, why not?

Besides, haven't you changed your justification for predation and slavery? You were arguing it's okay if the state does it. Now you're disowning the state per se, and confining your defence to democratic states.

So at what point in Australia's history did the government acquire the right to shoot people for whatever it wants, as you maintain? If it doesn't have that right, why not, according to you?

Julian
Also, isn't "might is right" the opposite of a rule of just conduct? The opposite of ethics? Isn't the whole purpose of rules of just conduct to have some other principle of social relations than that the stronger will take from the weaker and attack them if they don't submit and obey? You do know, don't you, that Hitler and his national socialist party were democratically elected?

So how is your so-called "principle" any different from 'might is right'?

Julian

For the sake of intellectual honesty, could you please either answer my specific questions, or admit that your political and economic ideology has just been totally demolished, even according to your own terms, because it's hypocritical and wrong, because you've never thought it through properly.