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A nation of victims : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 24/9/2014

What we don't have is the practical ability to exercise that right to self-defence.

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Emperor Julian,
I just read in the News that the use of a gun sorted out a violent incident for good.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 September 2014 6:13:38 AM
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(Posted earlier under “ FREE SPEECH UNDER THREAT”)

It's not ISIS I fear, but my government !

The following words, from 'UNION AMONG THE COLONIES ' written in 1854 by John West resound more loudly today, than they did when West wrote them, & I quote :

" Badly as power has been used by the mere servants of the the Crown, it has been infinitely less oppressive than would be the slavish violence of mere servants of the people. Under the existing system of government, royalty preserves so large a share in our assemblies, & a control so perfect over the collection & distribution of revenue, that faction at present cannot wield its authority, or unsheath its sword.

Those who are dazzled by the idea of unrestricted and responsible government in little colonies have seen only one side of the medal. They have not yet seen family compacts in their full bloom; they have not yet beheld an Attorney General, armed with the power of the majority, hunting its enemies into the meshes of the law; they have not yet witnessed nepotism with greedy hand & jealous eye, seizing the public as a spoil. All this they would assuredly behold in a small community in which no voice should be heard to speak beyond its own borders.

American history is full of examples to warn & admonish us; for notwithstanding the public & private virtue concentrated there, its annals are full of both turbulence & oppression. Those in who were not in the ascendant were prostrate." Unquote.

Who now 'represents' us, we the Australian Citizens? And who exactly is George Brandis being controlled by ?
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Thursday, 25 September 2014 10:20:40 AM
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Who now 'represents' us, we the Australian Citizens?
Albie Manton in Darwin,
This is a hard one to answer but to put it bluntly, we don't as yet have a Department for morons hence 51% of inhabitants of this country can't be represented. Proper Australians are already represented by our Government.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 September 2014 10:57:00 AM
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Indi, it's that close now, 51% in the Liberal NP camp supporters, with 49% in the other camp you say? I was once a firearms owner, I was an armourer in the ADF, it was my chosen profession for many years, but then they came for my firearms and no one spoke out for me after 1996, Port Arthur took away the rights of anything vaguely resembling democracy.

I know many who have 'buried' their collections for the storm to come. Where once I voted for the Liberal Party (John Howard was my local member for many years) I too lost faith in the party. I don't believe the other major parties have anything to offer either.

The 2 party abused system of voting is the worst model I believe ever inflicted on the Australian electorate. The Constitution is anachronistic and needs a good look at, as it is out of touch in many, many respects.

If not for my partner, I would have left Australia last year, sailing way on my yacht - after Herr Abbot was elected as PM. After studying in detail the judgments of Patsy Wulfe, the evidence submitted by the Crown, and from letters written by people in the matter, I believe that Pauline Hanson was wrongly accused & gaoled by the falsehoods of Herr Abbott in his bid for power. He is not a pleasant person, very calculating and devious. I would however consider Malcolm Turnbull as a PM ...at a pinch.

I will dance in a bright green mankini in Smith St Mall when on the day, Tony Sharples rolls over and spills the bean on Abbott.

If Hanson, love her or hate her, had been given a better voice then I believe the "Immigrant Issue" would have been greatly lessened, and this current ISIS Crisis being beaten up by media and government alike would be a mere squeak here. Hanson was sadly misrepresented on many levels at the behest of Abbott and again the electronic whorehouse who infest him.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Thursday, 25 September 2014 1:23:37 PM
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Albie Manton in Darwin,.
I was referring to the Lefties but since you mention nearly leaving I know quite a few decent Australians who are ready to leave, myself included. The trouble is that Rudd's criminal gang has taken away our opportunity to live overseas on our pension. Rudd & Co, you know the ones that stand for the workers (yeah right) & now this outfit won't pay us our pension if we're more than three months out of the country. On one hand they don't allow us to have a decent life here & on the other hand they don't allow us a decent live somewhere else either. Crook mongrels the bloody lot. If only the Lefties weren't so stupid we could gang up with them against those criminals in the Public Service & change things.
Perhaps we should go to Indonesia & the Philipines & return without papers, we might still get a few years of a reasonable existence side by side with the pretend refugees.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 September 2014 5:31:55 PM
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There’s a sequence here. On June 06 David Leyonhjelm published a plea for Howard’s protections against the Bryant-style gunnies to be stripped away. On cue, the gun freaks set up a clamour to give mass killers open slather as they had before Howard. This time he has put up a perfectly reasonable proposition – allow decent people to defend themselves with weapons like sprays, clubs and tasers (one which I supported in Paragraph 3). But in jumps the same clown cacophony.

Is Mise starts the ball rolling by asking about disarming the law abiding. That’s easy, a simple notice to every registered gunnie to hand his weapon(s) in to the police. If he’s law-abiding he’ll so do. Every unregistered gunnie will do likewise or stand to be put in gaol FOR LIFE if caught. Likewise every criminal committing a felony in company with a gun-armed freak. Very draconic for predators, very liberating for prey. I’m biased, being more likely to be prey than predator.

Rhrosty paints a picture we all fear – helpless victim caught by vicious bullies and savagely beaten. If ONLY he’d had a gun. In his hand. Loaded. Cocked. Safety off. Ready to fire before the baseball bat landed. In his dreams! Law-abiding gunnie Oscar Pistorius was armed and ready. Heard a noise in the loo. Blam, blam, blam, blam. The Steenkamps don’t have their daughter any more. Reeva doesn’t have her life any more. TEN THOUSAND Americans don’t have their lives any more after each year of Slave Owners’ Amendment “law”. How many others maimed like the victims Rhrosty describes? Bullets do main as well as kill.

Individual has to pretend being on the wrong end of a bullet means you’re a criminal.

JKJ reckons the predators shouldn’t be deprived of their guns unless the state is also. Sure the gun-armed cop disposed of the Moslem who tried to kill him for Allah – the state needs firearms to protect the prey from the predators. With looser gun laws the Moslem might have had a gun and got in first!
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 25 September 2014 5:33:39 PM
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