Ojnab,

Ref, Myall Creek etc., you left out the bit about the trials and subsequent executions of some of the culprits.

Ojnab,

Yes, and nine whites were properly hanged for it.

In two hundred years, can you think of anything else ?

I believed all of that paradigm for close on fifty years, promoted it, but I've grown sceptical of 'story' and oral history and rumour and hearsay. If there were any massacres, then surely a forensic survey of a reputed site would go some way to demonstrating that they occurred.

And even if it were true, how does one evil cancel out another ? How does what someone did 150 years ago in Australia somehow neutralise what some bastards are doing now, in Iraq and Syria ? What childish logic. If both occurred, they were both evil and should be condemned. It's not either/or.

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Dale Hughes article is a stonewalling exercise by a multicultural ideologue who will not let the facts get in the way of his humanitarian ideology.

His errors begin with his statement that "Islam is a religion of peace." Islam, is not, never has been, and never will be, a religion of peace. It is self evidently a religion of violence and Muslims are an endless source of violence to their neighbours everywhere. Dale Hughes is hardly using "logic and reason" if he thinks otherwise.

Australians are beginning to understand just how dangerous Islam is and just how offensive Muslims as a group are. Dale can hardly complain about the Muslim inability to integrate successfully into Australia society when the Islamic religion demands social separation from non believers. If you want multiculturalism, Dale, you should have been a lot more particular about who you invited into Australia. Because inviting a group of people who are entirely racist and nationalistic towards their own religion, and contemptuous of anyone who was not part of their group, was not the way to advance your fairy land cause. Like most ideologues, you could not see the that taking your ideals to the extreme would make them a parody of what you intended.

Dale then claims that "reason" is the best defence against extremism, and then he destroys his own argument by using a perverted line of reason to claim that black is somehow white. Dale claims once again that Islam is a "religion of peace" that has been perverted by extremists. Dale obviously knows nothing of Islam if he claims that.

If Australia was populated by negroes, Dale, it might be understandable if the Australian population was concerned about Ku Klux Klan immigration. If Australia was entirely Jewish, dale, it might be understandable if the Australian population was concerned about the immigration of Nazis. 98% of the Australian population are infidels to Islam, Dale, and you can hardly blame us if we are concerned and hostile towards a religion which demands in it's own scriptures that we become Muslims or they will kill us

Halduell,

"On the issue of Islam being a violent creed, which religion isn't?"

Christianity for one, it is truly a religion of peace.

The teachings of Christ are peaceful, not so those of Muhammad.

Is mise,
This "violent" expansion of Christianity was carried out by unarmed missionaries going out to the new world in ones and twos, the film "Black Robe" is a good depiction of the missionary life.
Islam on the other hand was spread via Jihad by "hordes" numbering tens of thousands of soldiers who in one 40 year period alone murdered about 5% of the world's population.
There's no comparison between Islam and Christianity, the Muslims had destroyed almost all of the classical Christian world by the time Europeans started venturing into Asia, Africa and the Americas.
What's more much of the militaristic energy expended by the British in Asia and Africa was directed to freeing people from Islamic tyranny, this continued throughout the 19th century and only really ended in the 1920's.
When we say ended we really men that the war between the occidental powers and the oriental power has been of a lower intensity over the last 90 years but it's been ramping up again since the mid 1990's.

A reflection on what muslims seem to see as important in their religion has been playing on my mind recently.

I'm recalling the massive protests and the level of outrage expressed around the world when westerners have done something deemed to be offensive to Islam. Be it the Danish cartoon's, a film about their prophet or a US preacher threatening to burn copies of the Koran the reaction was widespread and strong about how many muslims feel when their faith is insulted.

The extremes of IS are pretty well documented (sometimes by themselves). Their use of rape, crucifixion, routine beadings of captured opponents, torture magnitudes more brutal than anything the US appears to have done, the posting of video's of the beheading of captured aid workers and journalists in the name of Allah and their faith don't appear to be open to any serious questioning.

There certainly has been a reaction to IS and it's extremes, muslim leaders have spoken out against them, some muslim countries are joining in efforts to stop them but I've seen nothing that looks like widespread outrage from muslims to actions done in the name of their faith that comes close to the public expresssions of outrage when cartoons mocking their founder were published or a number of other instances that lead to massive protests.

From my perspective if claims of Islam actually being a religion of peace had any foundation the insult to Islam from the actions of IS would be considered a far, far greater offence to Islam than the type of incidents I mentioned earlier. Muslims around the world should be in the streets venting their outrage at the actions being done in the name of their faith in far greater numbers then they were for offensive cartoon's. That's not what's happening and I think it sends a message about where the real values of Islam are.

R0bert