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IS wins when we react with anger : Comments

By Dale Hughes, published 23/9/2014

Do we use our reason and logic, and conclude that this is an extreme, radical wing that has bastardised an otherwise peaceful religion?

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Since the main way both Islam and Christianity spread is by violence it is ridiculous to call either religion peaceful. The history of the Arab conquests is well known. Coming out of the Arabian peninsula the Muslims conquered North Africa, Spain, the Middle East and central Asia. After Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire it became illegal in the empire to practice other religions and those who practiced them were subject to torture and death. With the exception of Ireland all the European countries have been Christianised by violence, and missionaries together with gunboats have been effective in bringing the religion to the rest of the world. Both Christianity and Islam refer to themselves as religions of peace. Neither are. The US is trying to enlist Saudi Arabia in the struggle against ISIS. Last month Saudi Arabia beheaded 8 people for the crimes of drug trafficking, adultery, apostasy and sorcery. Over half of those who Saudi Arabia have beheaded are foreign nationals.

The prospect for world peace would be furthered by the elimination of all missionary religions.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 7:44:31 AM
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I agree with David F. Islam is not peaceful and neither is it peaceful to demonise people who oppose it. Labeling anything against islam as "Hate crime" and islamaphobic is repression of the worst type. This was all done in Europe and has the police and authorities cowed and compliant. Then islamic child exploitation and rape is condoned and the authorities feel the need to apologise for the job they are paid to do. The ABC on Q & A last night are already sponsoring someone to start a career as the resident expert in islamaphobia. She will enjoy a career culminating in a fabulous job and pension courtesy of people she will deride and criticise. Nothing at all peaceful about religion and as a life long atheist I say learn from the European experience.
Let's keep islam out of Australia.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 8:11:42 AM
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Religions thrive on persecution. Any attempt to keep Islam out of Australia is doomed to failure. It's foolish to even think of going there. Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic religions, and it is as much a part of modern Australia as is Judaism and Christianity. We can deal with this reality by being inclusive or by being exclusive. Since exclusion breeds resentment, only the former will give us a unified, peaceful nation.
Our PM says these are dangerous times. He is right, but by overreacting with draconian statements of intent such as “the delicate balance between freedom and security” will have to change, and with the introduction of new 'anti-terror' laws to put that intent into effect, he heightens the danger of our times. You can't put out a fire with gasoline. You don't become secure by giving up freedom to live in fear.
Posted by halduell, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 9:04:44 AM
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'Do we use our reason and logic, and conclude that this is an extreme, radical wing that has bastardised an otherwise peaceful religion?'

the denialist use no reason or logic. Bombings in Madrid, Bali, London, authors going into hiding for life, towns being burned because of cartoons and the list goes on.

Just look at the cost that less than 2% of this countries population is costing us. Apparently we have just as many Buddhist in the country. Never any trouble, no terrorist and no vicitm industry.

Dale shows no reason or logic in his article.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 9:27:08 AM
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"Do we use our reason and logic, and conclude that this is an extreme, radical wing that has bastardised an otherwise peaceful religion? "

The author makes no attempt to justify his assertion that Islam is a peaceful religion.

All you have to do is read the life of Mohammed to see why David's unsupported assumptions is untrue and completely unhistorical.

Mohammed personally participated in robbery, murder, slavery, sex with a child of 9, and mass killings, and taught that God said it's okay. And this man and line of reasoning is what Muslims take as their model.

In the earlier phase of Mohammed's mission, as they call it, when he was a fugitive, had least power, and needed to curry favour and compromise, the verses of the Koran are more moderate. In the later phase when he was the commander-in-chief of a victorious army, there are plenty of kill-the-infidel and otherwise violent verses, including rape-is-okay-if-it's-a-slave. Any inconsistency between earlier and later verses is solved by the saving maxim that later revelations prevail.

After the death of Mohammed, an immense multitude of infidels was slaughtered when Islam erupted out of Arabia to the north. That's how Iraq and Syria, which at the time were Christian countries, became Muslim in the first place. Afghanistan was Buddhist when the Muslims converted the population by the sword.

There is simply no reason in theory or practice for the author's assertion, which is based not on reason or logic at all, but mushy mid-brain sentiment, ignorance of the facts about Islam, and groupthink.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 9:32:46 AM
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Does Isis speak for Islam. A much watch from someone who knows much more about Islam than most.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QxzOVSMUrGM&app=desktop
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 9:54:27 AM
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