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The Forum > Article Comments > The empire cries wolf: pipeline politics, the tragedy of MH17, and geo-strategic agenda bending > Comments

The empire cries wolf: pipeline politics, the tragedy of MH17, and geo-strategic agenda bending : Comments

By Greg Maybury, published 31/7/2014

America itself was directly responsible for a not dissimilar incident when in 1988 the missile cruiser USS Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger airliner killing all 290 people on board including 66 children.

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I don't know how many US bases there are in Australia, Arjay, and I just don't care. The USA has a lot of friends who welcome them and their bases, the Russians can't say the same thing.

Keep it up, you are the best argument us normal people have.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 3 August 2014 8:21:35 AM
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Evidence is now compelling:

There was probably no surface to air missile fired. No evidence provided thus far - no eyewitness accounts or radar reports of seeing missile fired..

The fuselage around cockpit of MH17 is riddled with high calibre machine gun bullet holes. The bullet holes are both entry and exit! They targeted the pilot area in particular.

The tweets by Spanish air traffic controller in Kiev (who has since been disappeared) and the radar data provided by Russia and eyewitness reports on BBC news (later removed by BBC) show Ukrainian fighter jets tailing MH17.

Kiev regime (or at least just the Svoboda Nazi party controlled Interior Ministry) ordered the shoot down of a passenger plane and it should've landed in the area where several thousand Ukrainian army soldiers are trapped between the rebels and the Russian border - thus ceasing hostilities and allowing for the army to be released.

Also to gain political propaganda advantage against the rebels and blame them and Russia.

The plan went partly wrong when the plane banked to the east and flew at right angle to its flight path for 14km before being hit second time and downed into rebel (not trapped Ukrainian army) territory.

So possible scenario is an air-to-air missile from one Ukrainian fighter jet hit right wing, pilots kept plane aloft and turned to left, single fighter jet sped up and strafed cockpit from both right and left sides or two jet fighters sped up and strafed cockpit from both sides.

What is scary is that the Western media and governments all fell for this (or did Washington say they all had to fall for this?)

See:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/evidence-now-conclusive-2-ukrainian-government-su-25-fighter-jets-shoot-malaysian-airliner-buk-missile-ground-shot-involved.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-was-behind-the-downing-of-mh17-osce-monitor-mentions-machine-gun-bullet-holes-in-mh17-no-evidence-of-missile/5394693

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/
Posted by Greg4Peace, Monday, 4 August 2014 11:45:02 AM
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See if this link works - the machine gun of the Ukrainian fighter jet looks to have honed in right on the pilot from left side - which would go with catching up to it as it turned to the left and lost altitude and speed after the first hit by a possible air-to-air missile.

Go to - https://twitter.com/EzraBraam

If this doesn't work go via link in longer article and then hover over picture and click magnify - http://www.opednews.com/articles/Evidence-2-Ukrainian-Gove-by-Eric-Zuesse-Activism-Anti-War_Impeachment_Obama-Administration_President-Barack-Obama-POTUS-140803-579.html
Posted by Greg4Peace, Monday, 4 August 2014 7:38:26 PM
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One article (very informative despite the tortured English) and 27 comments, oodles of geopolitics and geostrategy (the language of colonialism), the usual bogan talk about "lefties", without even a nod of recognition of the rights of the PEOPLE who actually live there, which is what are being violated by the deadly military assault on so-called "separatists", mounted by a Nazi-infested coup regime in Kiev.

Sure, anything that sheds light on who really murdered the people on board MH17 is very relevant (unlike all that crap about geostrategy).

The people of the captive nations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine have every right to self-determination without their struggle for it being trumped by referring to them as "separatists" or pro-Russian or otherwise in terms designed by and for colonial overlords. This right is recognised by international law - the very first article in the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Rights decent people fought and died for in their thousands. Read about it at http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx .
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 4 August 2014 10:23:10 PM
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The name of the document setting out the right of peoples to self-determination is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, not the UN Declaration of Human Rights. It was adopted by the UN under Article 49 of the UN Charter. It remains international law and an achievement of the defeat of the Axis attempts to enslave the world.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 4 August 2014 10:55:42 PM
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To Greg4peace.

Since you are totally ignorant of military armaments, I will explain to you why your opinion is potty.

Fighter jets do not use machine guns. They use 20mm, 23mm, 25mm and 30mm fast firing cannons. Such weapons blow 300mm to 1 metre holes in their targets, or blow chunks off them.

The cannon that Russian aircraft use are 23mm. Destroying a large aircraft like a 767 with a cannon would be a strange weapon to pick. A cannon would take time to blow enough bits off the airliner to cause it to go out of control, and most of the aircraft would land in one piece. It would also give the pilot time to send out a mayday. A missile would be the way to go. That's what that Russian fighter used to down Korean airliners KAL 007 over the Kamchatcka Peninsular. He even identified it to his ground controller as an off course civilian airliner "with passengers sitting in their seats" before he launched his missile.

Whatever destroyed the airliner blew it to bits and the planes came down in bits all over the landscape. The pilot had no time to call a mayday because the plane was destroyed instantly.

Get a grip.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 4:05:54 AM
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