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Gay domestic violence: the hatred that dare not speak its name : Comments

By Ben-Peter Terpstra, published 22/7/2014

After all, physical and emotional female-on-female violence is problematic for campaigning journalists bent on portraying domestic violence as a symptom of patriarchy.

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"So, if a survey asks “How often are you abused”, women might report “often”, but men report “not often”, even though the controlling behaviour by men and women is actually equal in frequency."
Posted by Incomuicardo, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 9:12:56 PM

Pregnant women are screened for domestic violence and the question that is asked;

"when was the last time he hit you?"

So men are judged to be guilty before the trial even begins.
Posted by Wolly B, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 10:03:18 PM
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WollyB, where is your proof of that stupid question being used, except when investigators are seeing actual physical proof of violence on someone's body?

Aren't we discussing gay domestic violence here?

Either gender can be violent, that has been well and truly demonstrated in our society, so why must you continue with this gender war rubbish?
It is so yesterday....
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 12:07:44 AM
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Incomuicardo, I'd not gotten around to looking at the source of the data previously. I didn't find enough detail to form a strong opinion but after reading the material at the link from the article then having a browse of the underlying survey topics my confidence in the results as a reliable measure of rates is pretty low. The factors you mentioned could all easily play a part.

The research was based on results from the California Health Survey which is a very broad survey across a whole range of topics and unlikely to have drilled deep enough to overcome pre-existing perceptions about what is IPV (the term used in the link BTW). Some of the other results give the impression that that may be the case.

I should have had a look at the source material earlier, there is far too much material in this space that does not include protections against inbuild collection bias. It would need more than one study based on a broad topic survey to draw reasonable conclusions about rates of IPV in any type of relationship.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 5:38:28 AM
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WollyB, where is your proof of that stupid question being used,
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 12:07:44 AM

http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/nswkids/pdf/dvrs_doh_report_after_the.pdf

ASK:
Q1 Within the last year have you been hit, slapped or hurt in other ways □ YES □ NO
by your partner or ex-partner?

page 12

Anyway as a nurse you could just ask the midwives.

<so why must you continue with this gender war rubbish?
<It is so yesterday….

To my knowledge I have never called any of your posts rubbish and it was in response to the post by Incomuicardo, and their post about surveys.
Posted by Wolly B, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 6:13:27 AM
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Who is 'we'? If you're talking about a few affluent Western nations where gays are already legally protected and socially accepted, then yes, 'we' can perhaps start to turn our attention to more specific issues arising out of this. But if 'we' includes Uganda or Pakistan or Russia, where gays are vulnerable to State prosecution, imprisonment and death, then no, gay domestic violence is not the most important issue by a long chalk. And if raising it is an attempt to distract attention from the persecution still faced by gay people across most of the planet, then it's a vile and pernicious tactic.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 7:14:00 AM
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Wolly B,

That is an example of what I have written about previously.

The response from Susenline was actually controlling behaviour, as they were trying to control you, and stop you from making posts.

They were also quite insulting towards you.

My belief is that controlling behaviour from a woman towards a man is much more accepted than controlling behaviour from a man towards a woman

It may even be thought that it is unmanly for a husband to ever complain about his wife’s constant nagging, put-downs and insults.

Although having a nagging wife can be a very serious health risk for men.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2014/05/09/a-nagging-wife-really-can-send-her-husband-to-an-early-grave-denmark-study-claims/

But it has reached a point where controlling behaviour from a man towards a woman is now called “misogyny”, or “abuse”, or “patriarchy” etc, while controlling behaviour from a woman towards a man is just accepted or ignored.

Of course the whole theory of “patriarchy” comes unstuck with the issue of domestic violence in homosexual couples.

There the theory of “patriarchy” cannot be applied, so data about the rates of DV in homosexual couples is often hidden or not mentioned.
Posted by Incomuicardo, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 8:49:22 AM
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