Given Paddy is so knowledgeable - why not produce statistics to show that GDP and personal income will rise if our population increases as he suggests ... ?

he's experienced at writing government reports .. he said so

population data and labor market data are linked .. so he should have no great difficulty in accessing data

let's have some facts Paddy .. not just an unintelligent rant

Traveloz,

This is cash earnings on trend including SS.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/6302.0~Nov+2013~Main+Features~Average+Weekly+Cash+Earnings?OpenDocument

one simple graph .... lol

we know "average" earnings are going up .. largely distorted by relatively few people earning huge incomes ... 'median' earnings would be a better measure ...

after all the prices rises, Paddy .. the real question has to be: are we really better off ?

unemployment is rising ... will new immigrants lessen that ?

housing prices are rising at an astronomical rate ... will more immigrants slow the rate of increase ?

our major roads are clogged with cars ... will increased immigration lessen congestion ?

our hospitals are overcrowded and our medical system is stretched ... will larger numbers of people ease these pressures ?

why not research data on government expenditure per capita ... say 20, 15 and 10 years ago .. and compare that to today ?

take out inflation, and I'll betcha its increased dramatically ...

and that's also one reason (among many) why we are paying hugely increased taxes ...

This argument is on the wrong track altogether.
It is all about whether population should increase or not.

That is not the option choice that is available.
Growth WILL NOT happen.
Growth requires increasing energy.
We do not have it and will never have it. (unless we build nuclear Power)

The only options available are how we will stop our population increasing.
Not immediately, but in the future we will face declining energy
availability and increasing cost of that energy.

That is what you need to be arguing about.

Its a fact that Australia's natural population is relatively stable ... ie births less deaths ..

Immigration intake and rates of population increase are POLICY DECISIONS of GOVERNMENT .. and democratically elected governments ought be able to explain the rationale for their policies and decisions

Bazz "The only options available are how we will stop our population increasing."

And the most obvious and immediately actionable is to stop or severely reduce immigration.

But this will not happen because (a) anti-racist indoctrination makes questioning immigration a crime worse than pedophilia, (b) the liberal/libertarian perspective views cross-border movement as some sort of rightful "freedom", but mostly (c) the Tweedles need those ethnic voters and don't want to do anything to alienate them.

So immigration will never stop by government decree.

It will only stop when things get so bad there's a civil war.
Then nobody will want to come here.

But what will be left of "Australia" (as we've known it) then?

What a sad fate we face, all because we can't be "racist" (i.e. act in our own self-interest).