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On hazards and climate : Comments

By Chas Keys, published 7/7/2014

Climate scientists can't do it all. Their principal responsibility is to point out what is happening in the climate system. Only secondarily do they tend to involve themselves in prescriptions.

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Thank you both ant and warmair for providing the evidence to back my case, that observations of climate conditions today are remarkable similar to those of upto 600 years ago.

Thanks for you belief. You should both sit down and reflect on how this conversation has arrived at this juncture.

Lolo you two are remarkably simple.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 11 July 2014 4:25:11 PM
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You have a sense of humour; imajulianutter, I guess the knowledge of Captains of yore would have had astronomical knowledge of jet streams.
Posted by ant, Friday, 11 July 2014 6:51:28 PM
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Brisbane records coldest morning in 103 years.

Brisbane has recorded its coldest morning in 103 years, with low temperatures also being felt across the rest of Queensland.
The weather bureau says the state's capital dropped to 2.6 degrees Celsius just before 7:00am (AEST) on Saturday.
Bureau spokeswoman Michelle Berry said it has been exceptionally cold and temperatures are still dropping.
"[It's been] the coldest morning since 1911, so it's quite a record there," she said.
Clermont in central Queensland had record-low temperatures on Friday, but broke records again on Saturday morning with the temperature dropping down to -4.5C.
Five coldest cities in Queensland
1. Oakey: -6.1
2. Warwick: -5.9
3. Kingaroy: -5.7
4. Applethorpe: -5.4
5. Dalby: -5.0
Blackall recorded lows of -2.0C, Roma saw temperatures of -6.6C, and Oakey was down to -6.1C.
Further south in the state, Kingaroy reached -5.7C, Dalby dropped to -5.0C, Applethorpe was -5.4C, and Warwick recorded -5.9C.
Ms Berry said dry and clear conditions, as well as light winds, have caused temperatures to plummet but said mornings should start to warm up next week.
"I would keep the doonas at the ready in the morning," she said.
"I don't think we'll see temperatures drop as much as we saw [on Saturday] morning but we will see temperatures well and truly below their July averages.
"But then we'll actually see a change in air mass and with that increasing cloud we'll see those minimum temperatures on the rise."
In New South Wales, Glen Innes has recorded temperatures of -11.3C, while Thredbo recorded a low of -4.1C.
Victoria's Mount Baw Baw saw temperatures drop to -3.6C.

A spokesman from Greenpeace, Lotti Moanmore, announced, that "this is yet another indisputable example of the existence of Global Warming."
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 13 July 2014 9:26:48 AM
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Lego, don't confuse weather with climate. For June record temperatures were recorded for Australia but unless they are weighed up against long term trend lines, no conclusions can be drawn. There will always be natural variations.
Climate is measured over decades of data providing trend lines.
In the Arctic where change is happening more rapidly than anywhere else the loss of multi year ice is noted and the thickness of ice is thinning. That statement is derived from satellite data and buoys in situ. Its impossible to argue to the contrary in relation to that. Sea ice is measured on a daily basis.
Just hope that the imminently likely el nino pattern that will have an impact on climate is a low scale one. Should the el nino be a major event it will cause drought in Australia and have a major impact on sea ice in the Arctic causing further negative events.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 13 July 2014 12:06:35 PM
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Please ant

'Captains of yore would have had astronomical knowledge of jet streams.'

They did not need to ant. Nor do climate scientists of today. If you understood weather you would know jets streams, an imprecise and scientific term used in study of the atmosphere, and I presume you meant stratosphere and where the jets mostly fly, are outside of the troposphere where all weather occurs.

Now Ant as you said here earlier, that climate was the aggregate of weather... well I guess you now see how you have again demonstrated how very silly and shallow is your knowledge of both weather and climate. You really should leave discussion of weather and climate to those who, like those sea captains of yore, really do understand how and where weather and climate occur.

Ahhh ant yesterday was the coldest day in Queensland for over 100 years ... and today is colder.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 13 July 2014 2:10:23 PM
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And ant June was the coldest June on record.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 13 July 2014 2:23:08 PM
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