Warmair,

<<I have been a glider pilot for some 45 years>>

Now that would make a really interesting thread!

As usual you both missed the point.

Why didn't you answer my question ant? Answering it would show your lack of consistency. As usual.

Warmair tell me were the climatic conditions for todays glider pilots the same as the climactic conditions for glider pilots in the times of James Cook in 1750, Drake in 1580 or the Portuguese of earlier times?

My knowledge of meteorology, weather and climate comes from books written by officers of the Royal Navy. A body of knowledge which stretches back over 600 years of experience.

Very few of the contributors to that body of knowledge, like me, had matriculated. I understand those with degrees are limited to and by the body of knowledge they are taught. I'm not at all limited. I can combine the experience and knowledge of anyone whether university educated or not. Unlike you I know university educated are not the repositories of all knowledge and I find most extremely narrowly focused and unable to think outside current orthodoxies.

I would expect our (Cooks et el and mine) experiences with weather and ocean conditions would be dramatically different, if climate change was underway, as you claim. You of course are completely ignorant of the conditions of the sea and the weather over this period of 600+ years.

The experiences of Cook et el are remarkable similar to the conditions I've encountered.

:)

imajulianutter, I can understand how you have acquired a good knowledge of weather patterns. But, climate is a different matter, I defy any older person to reconstruct what the weather was like 50+ years ago and then be able to reconstruct the seasonal changes and temperatures from then till now. Climate scientists use longer time frames.
All you can ever do is have a belief that anthropogenic climate change is not true. Scientists have truck loads of data which is not reflected in the papers they have written. If you have ever had to write reports, imajulianutter, you would realize that is the case in any field.

Like I have stated before the NCA paper released earlier this year was referenced by over 3,000 papers, it took many scientists to put it together; yet, its focus was only on the US.

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A team of more than 300 experts guided by a 60-member Federal Advisory Committee produced the report, which was extensively reviewed by the public and experts, including federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.
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Skeptical scientists, there are not that many of them have not written anything approximating the depth of the NCA document.

http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report#section-1947

Ant says, Skeptical scientists, there are not that many of them, but he forgets that 31,487 American scientists have signed the OISM petition, including 9,029 with PhDs, saying they don't accept the IPCC global warming garbage.

I guess that is not many in their strange world.

Answer my question ant.

Are the Oregon Petition. Signed by large numbers of vets, medical doctors, engineers and zombies. Charles A. Papacostas, PhD signed it after he had died.

What a complete joke.