Plantagenet you might be surprised to know that ASIS had very little skill in the handling of weapons, or any other tactical capacity of consequence. Back in the early 1990's I was asked to provide specific training in special protective measures, in order to enable operatives to work in O/S missions, determined as high risk. After the first couple of weeks of this training, I enquired if they wished to have their operatives, trained in the defensive/offensive application of edged weapons and other covert weapons? Apparently, my simple enquiry was met with a resounding no! The question had generated with many of those I/C, a high level of anxiety and disquiet, the proposition that their operatives were to be instructed in such measures? The operatives concerned, were amazed at this response? Interestingly this was some few years after the embarrassing events that occurred at the Sheraton Hotel in Melbourne. Ergo, the notion that ASIS was both proficient and capable of providing strategic and tactical training to anyone, is quite extraordinary really!

Hi Arjay

I haven't heard much mythology on the 7/7 bombings - particularly as evidence consisted of ample CCTV, forensic evidence and relatives accounts of the well identified killers.

Politicians, be they from Indonesia or elsewhere, are not noted for telling all of the truth, all of the time. What Indonesian and Australian police discovered about the Bali bombings may be more trustworthy.

No doubt about it that:

- the Nazis set up a nutter to burn down the Reichstag,

- the Gulf on Tonkin was a setup (US destroyers had been shelled the North Vietnamese shore a short time before the "Incident"),

- yes Israel did positively identify the USS Liberty as a US ship before they straffed it, and

- that the usual band of anti-CIA, anti-Semitic, anti-Mossad lobby developed the 9/11 "Truth" cult.
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Hi misanthrope

Noted

Regards

Pete

Hi Rhrosty

Thanks for those compliments. Hopefully the new legistation when passed, will be a proportional response to threats in Australia. And less a response to US security priorities and structures (including the worldwide technical surveillance network).

I trust the relevant officials and Ministers, to a degree, that they won't go overboard. A bit of a shame that the Independent National Security Monitor role is being abolished at the same time all these security amendments are being introduced...

Yes hooting baboons, and maybe the odd chimp, would feel at home during Question Time :) A disservice to the authority of monkeys indeed.

Here's one of the better Parliamentary Addresses http://youtu.be/QvsQ9hYKq7c - hard to tell whose the PM and whose Shorten.

Cheers

Pete

Plantagenet, there were 3 towers that came down on 911 and they all came down at near free fall speeds which is impossible for aircraft fuelled fires to achieve. It defies the laws of physics. WTC7 was not hit by a plane yet displayed all the traits of a controlled demolition.

http://www.ae911truth.org/ You really need to study this site as they were here in 2009 and provided irrefutable evidence that the official story is totally flawed. I have personally met Richard Gage Prof Steven Jones, our Dr Frank Legge and Prof Niels Harrit. It was Nano Thermite a highly advanced military explosive that brought down these buildings. Very few people knew about at that time.

It was not only Jews like Larry Silverstein who knew about it. The Nazi element in the USA and Britian knew exactly what they were doing.

....and the yanks never landed on the moon. ....and Harold Holt was a Chinese spy who was picked up by a Chinese submarine at Cheviot beach. .....and the Port Arthur massacre was committed by an SAS soldier on the orders of the Howard government so that the Australian government could confiscate all semi auto firearms. ....and that the USA invaded Iraq to steal the oil. ....and that the yanks invade Germany to destroy the German beer industry. .....and that the yanks knew the Japs were coming to Pearl Harbour but they deliberately let the Japs sink half their Pacific Fleet so that they had an excuse to enter the war.

Geez. What do you people use for brains? Talk about Olympic class stupidity.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/59295/british-jihadists-how-much-of-a-threat-do-they-pose :

Security services estimate that up to 500 young Muslim men have left the UK to fight alongside terrorist organisations in Syria and Iraq, the BBC reports [on Friday].

“Extremist groups such as Isis use various social media sites…

The message appeals to those want to help their fellow Muslims in Syria and Iraq and feel frustrated by the lack of intervention from the West, the New York Times reports.

However, the Guardian's Joanna Burke argues that while faith and ideology play an important part in the appeal of groups like Isis, many of these men are driven by more than just religion.

"The glamorising of violence and military culture has effects beyond any particular group. It is not unique to young Muslim men – or, indeed, young men in Cardiff – to be excited by the prospect of combat."

According to the [UK Prime Minister] David Cameron, "it is a greater threat to the UK than the return of foreign jihadists or fighters from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region."

In a recent report, Barrett describes the conflict in the region as "an incubator for a new generation of terrorists".

One British jihadist tweeted this week that the UK 'should be afraid of what I have learnt' in Syria alongside a picture of apparent homemade bombs.

What is the government doing to counter it?

Most of the work being done to combat home-grown extremists is carried out by the intelligence services.

Several people have been charged with "involvement in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism" and new laws have been pushed through allowing the government confiscate the passports of identified jihadists, the Telegraph reports.

The [UK] Home Office also has the power to strip extremists of their British passports, but this can only be done if they have dual nationality as they cannot be left stateless.

The government has distributed leaflets in [UK] Muslim neighbourhoods encouraging people to come forward if they suspect a friend or family member may be planning to travel to the region to fight and warning people that returning jihadists will face prosecution.”