Widely held views about the underlying causes of Port Arthur and obviously some other supposed "Lone Nut Gunman" type massacres are wrong. Now thanks to the Internet, any individual can much more readily research details of what really happened. The true stories are often different in important respects to official ones. Anyone with any intelligence analysing details will conclude that MARTIN BRYANT WAS NOT THE PORT ARTHUR GUNMAN! It was a psyop. ie psychological operation planned by anti gun psychopaths for the purpose of gaining support for tough gun laws. Those involved in this criminal conspiracy as accessories before, during and after the fact should be brought to justice. This includes some senior politicians and police.

Re official stories about firearms supposedly used at Port Arthur, is obvious to me they are full of inconsistencies and include obvious lies. Even though I have not yet studied detailed analysis of this by gunsmith Stuart Beattie. Note how an unsuccessful attempt was made to bully Hobart gun dealer Terry Hill into providing a statement that he sold Martin Bryant a firearm, which he did not to suit the official dishonest story. As punishment his dealers licence was cancelled for a small alleged infringement. I recall story how Martin had about a month before the massacre taken a .308 semi auto rifle needing repairs to Terry. He was horrified. Had a loaded 15 shot magazine in it and a round in the breech. No competent shooter would carry a rifle like this unless getting ready to shoot. Massacre planners obviously intended this as part of setting up incriminating evidence against Martin and that this rifle would be collected by Martin for use in the massacre, which it was not. Also, he apparently produced a licence in the name of MARTIN RYAN ( Bryant shortened!) Who in high places supplied him with this? Remember he was apparently not capable of passing a drivers' licence test

I notice by the length of this thread that the gunnies' fingers are still itching for a trigger with the result that the string of pre-Howard massacres will start up again.

Interesting that Bryant got an illegal kill-weapon that had been handed in to the police. I dunno what Howard's "redundant bureaucratic procedures and paperwork" [OTB] prescribes but I have a sneaking suspicion that it would not allow police to supply murder weapons to homicidal maniacs like Bryant.

The elephant remains in the gunnies' room: ten thousand Americans shot dead by other Americans every year. A plethora of ridiculous attempts to explain it away have been put up, the most squalid being that they were mainly only blacks (which they aren't), while tiptoeing around the fact that each gun death came from a gun.

"Sooling police onto ordinary law-abiding, licensed citizens" rates a horse laugh. Where in Australia are police harassing licensed gun owners? The protection the gunnies are seeking to overturn is the law putting conditions on obtaining a gun and if police are chasing anyone up it'll be criminals who have UNLICENSED guns.

The message coming across loud and clear is that citizens are under attack and need to bring pressure to bear on political parties to put the gun lobby last on the preference list in order not to deliver Senate seats to them. With luck the chance may come soon with a double dissolution.

fixed it for ya, drongo....
The message coming across loud and clear is that citizens are under attack(by crims, thugs, hoons, terrorists, tyrants and [potential] foreign invaders/aggresors) and need to bring pressure to bear on political parties to put the gun control lobby *out of BUSINESS* Senate seats to them. With luck the chance may come soon as most people are sick and tired of living in fear!

ARM Australia!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/ARM.Australia ;

fixed it for ya.....
The message coming across loud and clear is that citizens are under attack(by crims, thugs, hoons, terrorists, tyrants and [potential] foreign invaders/aggresors) and need to bring pressure to bear on political parties to put the gun control lobby *out of BUSINESS*
With luck, the chance may come soon as most people are sick and tired of living in fear!

ARM Australia!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/ARM.Australia ;

To Jimbo: The elephant's still in your lounge room.

Hi Steelredux.

I do not necessarily disagree with strong gun laws, and I do not hold John Howard in contempt for trying to protect the lives of his people and improve safety within Australian society.

My beef is that firearm owners and firearms have been scapegoated by the media and by the trendy lefties as the primary reason for gun crimes including massacres. Just remove the guns and everything will be OK. Hunters and shooters are "gunners" and "Rambo's" who's dedication to their toys is endangering the entire community. The state of NSW has increased the severity of firearm laws no less than four times before John Howard's buyback IN RESPONSE TO rising rates of violent crime. After the gun buyback, NSW has AGAIN made it's gun laws more onerous (now they are trying ammunition prohibitions) because all of the previous changes to our firearm laws did nothing to stop the almost nightly shootings in the Arab areas of Sydney.

Firearm laws are a litmus paper test on how violent any society is. Violent societies need strong gun laws, while peaceful societies do not. English society was once so violence free, that much to the amazement of every other police force in the world, English police alone had no need to carry handguns. That has now changed and English beat police are now armed, despite the fact that all privately owned handguns are banned. Australia once had very lenient gun laws, very strict censorship of the entertainment media, and a low rate of serious criminal activity involving firearms. Today, it is the other way around. Our gun laws keep getting more onerous, our entertainment media can glamourise criminal behaviour and drug taking all it likes, and our society keeps getting more dangerous.

Now, you have brought up a couple of important points which I will address.

The first, is that I agree with you that massacre behaviour is primarily committed by white people. There does indeed appear to be a genetic factor as well as a cultural one when it comes to serious criminal behaviour.

To be continued.