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By Eliza-Jane Stringer, published 5/6/2014I'm not saying climate policy is a free lunch, but it's a lunch worthwhile to buy.
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Ant no I did not say CFC was a conspiracy, you did. I say it was a total fraud. The Italian scientist was ruined some years after because of other frauds of his. However the Indians and Russians are producing even more CFC's than previously. Where are they ending up? Ah yes no good having a go at them and Dupont have replaced CFC's with more expensive alternatives so every one wins except us punters. You want it buddy, find a way to pay for it and do not pick my pocket.
Posted by JBowyer, Saturday, 7 June 2014 5:55:49 PM
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What a rant, one under god, I can't understand where you are coming from. You talk about suing those who believe in anthropogenic climate change; yet, cannot answer the pragmatics I asked about.
What do you make of this very up to date article article? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/06/rising-seas-wash-japanese-war-dead-marshall-islands-graves Posted by ant, Saturday, 7 June 2014 6:21:51 PM
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http://talkingabouttheweather.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/sea-level-essentially-unchanged-yawn/
DAMM I CUT THE INFO/NOT THE LINK REGARDLESS..THE LINK EXPLAINS HOW THEY DRAINED THE WATER TABLE/BY DEPLETING WATER WELLS..AND THE TWI O ISLANDS SUNK..other options are damage from atomic bombing in the 70S..has settled some islands.. but your proof/through graphis ..is due to a sunk the island..in other places they are sinking into the mud..but the mud isnt rising..they are sinking depleted water table.. like venes and mexico..[tower-of//pitxa oh dear//the sky is falling..the gound is sinking GOOGLE..the polar bears are drownding http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs835h827TeKnxJE4Z_Zp17CNvEug6A-2CztMYtTWBEgxbKyrM5lpXHFQ resting..caught stalking a seal not drowning..get it..? pd how come your not quoting from the warming sceptics site your mates hIghjacked the opposition/name..[SCEPTICS]..cause they begun it..AND HEADED OFF.\.US/THE REAL WARMING/WARNING-SCEPTICS..too clever by half. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=POLAR+BEAR+DROWNINGs TRY AROUND SECOND HOUR http://rss.infowars.com/20140605_Thu_Alex.mp3 Posted by one under god, Saturday, 7 June 2014 6:51:12 PM
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No need to worry about the Marshall Islands, ant, over the misleading eference to “climate change” in the article about the Japanese graves. A study shows them to be in good shape:
“We have closely examined how reef islands formed over the past 5,000 years in response to past changes in sea level, in a bid to find out how islands might behave in the future. In our most recent study, we show that Jabat Island in the Marshall Islands, central Pacific, was created 5,000 years ago as sea level rose to 1.5m above its present level. Since that time, sea levels have fallen once more, leaving the island much higher relative to the current sea level. Over the coming century, future sea-level rise will simply reoccupy the levels under which the island formed. This finding is consistent with our case studies in the Great Barrier Reef and the Maldives, which show that islands can form under a range of sea-level conditions including rising, falling, and stable. Together, these studies show that sea level alone is not the main factor that controls the formation and subsequent change of reef islands. These processes also depend on the surrounding coral reef generating sufficient sand and shingle to build islands. Changes over the past century Using comparisons of historical maps, aerial photographs and satellite images, we have been able to test the hypothesis that central Pacific Islands have begun to erode away in response to this sea-level rise. One example is the reef islands in Funafuti Atoll, Tuvalu, in the central Pacific. Our study found that most of these islands either remained stable in size or grew larger over the past few decades, in spite of rising sea levels. Another of our studies found that islands in Nadikdik Atoll, Marshall Islands, have been rebuilt over the past century despite being destroyed by a typhoon in 1905. All of this shows that reef islands are able to grow under current climate conditions.” http://theconversation.com/dynamic-atolls-give-hope-that-pacific-islands-can-defy-sea-rise-25436 Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 7 June 2014 10:24:11 PM
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Leo, sea levels are rising slowly. The important factor is high tides and storm surges. You reference implies that the islands can become uninhabitable. Why would they become uninhabitable, Leo?
How do you account for the bodies being washed away from their burial spots? Your article is theoretical, my example is about what has actually happened. one under god, I was very amused when you came up with "STOP LOOKING AT YA NAVEL..SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE" I have come up with a lot of facts, in a number of areas. All you seem to do is come up with conspiracy theories. I loved this comment; one under god: "WHAT I SAID ABOUT POLE SHIFT..WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE..100 YEAR GRAND carborn-credit..scam..shuts dowm" Prove it. Posted by ant, Sunday, 8 June 2014 2:32:39 PM
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Ant a couple of years ago I did a Google earth trip around some of my old stamping grounds. Just that recently their photos of many atolls was as good as that of suburbia. As this is no longer the case, I can only give my findings from then.
I built a lot of inexpensive jetties for atoll plantations, & a couple of villages in PNG & the Solomons. These were fringing jetties, built where the coral flat was narrow, with a sharp drop off into reasonably deep water, usually from 40 to 80 feet. This sighting made the things easy & cheap to build, a major requirement for the customers involved. Larger & more extensive construction was beyond their means, & not really required to handle the small 100 to 150Ft copra boats. They could reduce a couple of days ferrying copra by canoes to anchored boats, to just a few hours. I was not too surprised to see a couple of these were now 20 to 40 meters out to sea from the island. Local villages would have trouble allocating responsibility for maintaining a causeway to the jetty as the island moved along the reef. I was however a bit surprised to find 3 of them up to 30 meters inland, as the island had engulfed them. It takes a considerable amount of material to fill a few hundred meters by thirty meters by 50+ feet deep to engulf these jetties as the islands move down the prevailing weather patterns. It indicates just how much debris is generated by the coral growth, & how quickly. It has no trouble maintaining the islands, if it's capacity not damaged by the residents. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 8 June 2014 7:38:16 PM
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