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It's time to call a spade a spade: Israel and apartheid : Comments
By Paul Duffill, published 21/5/2014There's one thing experts can agree on: Israel and especially the Palestinian territories are in - or are rapidly heading towards – a situation of apartheid.
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Is the Muslim war against Christians apartheid? Is the Muslim war against Jews apartheid? Is the Muslim war against Women apartheid? Is the Muslim war against Gays apartheid? What a load of twaddle in this fictional piece; Islam is a clear and present danger to Civilisation and needs to be treated as such, more vigorous action needs to be pursued to push that Djinn back into its leprous bottle.
Posted by McCackie, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 7:33:12 AM
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I am sick of hearing Israel is an Apartheid state. On the bus in jerusalem yesterday a muslim women sat next to an Israeli soldier and next to him an orthodox jew praying the picture said a 1000 words. Muslims, Christians and Jews move freely around and together in major israeli cities. They attend university, cinemas, shops,restaurants,schools etc together. They share the same beaches. Have you ever visited the park in Jerusalem or Tel aviv on a friday full to overflowing with jewish and muslim children playing.
The sad situation that has arisen uniquely in hebron is a result of Arabs Massacring jews dating back to 1929 and continuing.Hebron is where the Jewish patriachs and matriachs are buried and so Jews have lived there since before Abraham. In 1929 67 Jews were murdered in hebron- their homes and synagogues destroyed - and the few hundred survivors were relocated to Jerusalem. The aftermath left Hebron barren of Jews for the first time in thousands of years.when they returned in trickles to their homes years later. the arabs population did not welcome them and so this unique situation arose Posted by SC, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 8:04:16 AM
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If Israel defines itself in law as a Jewish state, how can it not be an apartheid state for anyone living there who is not Jewish?
And if in support of this Jewish state all non-Jews are encouraged/forced to leave Israel, how can that not be ethnic cleansing? Ms Bishop as our Minister for Foreign Affairs wants to think carefully about the quagmire she is walking us into. She may be putting Australia in the wrong both legally and morally. All of this would resolve itself overnight if Israel would simply declare that there exists one state between the river and the sea, that it will be ruled under a democratic system of one person/one vote and grant a full right of return with full and equal citizenship to all those displaced since Israel declared itself a state in the 1940's. Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 8:17:12 AM
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good call/paul..timming is everything..got a few dots..that are joining/at the right\place..in time..
snide*aside..[how is/them/'special'..id's..so jews/can\pass/freely..while-the rest..get*red-tape? In recent/months,..Ultra-Orthodox..and right wing Jews were screaming murder,..mentioning the Sergei Court..as an antecedent...[amoung/other..global..'pro-jects].. Sergei Court,,is the nickname of the property..at Heleni HaMalka 13, in downtown Jerusalem...It was named after Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich,..son of Czar Alexander II..and brother of Alexander III. The building was constructed..in 1890..for the joy of pilgrims belonging..to Russian aristocracy...Over time it was occupied by Israel,..which placed in it..the Ministry of Agriculture... http://www.roitov.com/articles/cenacle.htm On March 23,2011,..PM Netanyahu was scheduled to visit Moscow. 48 Hours..before leaving Israel,..the Russian government announced that the visit is cancelled..unless Israel returns the Sergei Court. Within 24 hours,..the Ministry was evacuated..(See Selling King David's Tomb). http://www.roitov.com/articles/apifior.htm A campaign is conducted..by Israeli right..claiming that a similar event..is planned with the Cenacle..and King David's Tomb..*below it. "Final..Agreement..Needs..to*be Signed" The visit..of the Pope..at the place is significant..because it includes..a mass..[last-supper/mass]..despite not being..one of the allowed prayer days...Moreover,..Israeli officials..have acknowledged that an agreement..is ready. [clearly/some..could\seek..to prevent/this][and set-up/arabs/russians/chinese]..to take../the\fall...for/red/flag[black-flag-event]..[using/..say..a mal-asian/plain.] Speaking for the Latin Patriarchate,..David Noihouse acknowledged that Christians..want an agreement regularizing prayer rights..in the Cenacle.*"This is a central place..[last-upper/place]..for Christians worldwide,..and right now..it is possible to pray..there only with special..!permits. In certain sense,..the Church was born there,*..it is the most natural thing..for Christians to want to visit and pray there..as mother mary spake..in fatima. Hanna Bandekobsky..(English spelling may vary)..is the Director of the Program..for Jewish-Christian Relations of the Jerusalem Center. On May 20,..ahead of the visit,..she gave an interview to Yediot Ahronot. She said,.."Now there is a final agreement..that needs to be signed; it includes many details...As part of it.. the Catholics tried to introduced prayer rights in the room,..but the details have not yet been published." Right wing activists were stopped..from visiting the Cenacle..by the police...The latter told the intruders.."It is a church up there"..[while secretly filmed.] The video..was uploaded to the internet..and is now a source of Jewish religious hysteria;..*"King David's Tomb..*will be given to the Vatican,"..they say in a variety of ways,..despite the event being unlikely...as/.. they only 'share'..a..common entrance/doorway\entrance/street/city. and yesterday..it\was..just..an*agri-culture-center..now/why?\the agro? http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/israeli-murders-captured-on-video/ http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/its-hard-to-hold-dual-loyalties/ Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 8:25:42 AM
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When the vicious murderer who bashed a childs head in with a rifle butt for being Jewish, is not celebrated but despised by Palestinians, I will pay attention to these rancid maunderings. When the rancid person who murdered Jewish children by cutting their throats in their beds is reviled, his name stamped out by his own people, we will know peace is possible. Until then, all action by Israelis to defend themselves against people committed only to their deaths are entirely justified.
The Palestinian people could have peace and equality any time these last fifty years; all they had to do was declare peace. It is their own hatred and intransigence that prevents their equality, created out of their own behaviour. Alas, their was no profit for their leaders to allow that to happen, so they suffer. Hamas murders their own, flinging them off roofs, executing them in the streets; while Israel time and again has given land or prisoners seeking peace. All that happens is that the crazy killing fetish of the Palestinians is revealed anew. Apartheid? The entire Arab world created the separation of the Palestinians, for their own purposes and their own honour. Only in the batshit insanity of the extreme left can ideas so foolishly wrongheaded as 'apartheid' be 'normal'. Posted by ChrisPer, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 10:03:32 AM
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And I suggest only batshit insanity would try to airbrush the Nakba out of history.
No one denies the Holocaust. On the contrary, it is illegal in many parts of the world to do so. But the Nakba? Try as you might, but that crime is not going away. It must be almost time to 'fess up, to make a better fist of it. Honesty on both sides is needed, and paranoia doesn't help. Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 10:20:04 AM
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dear crispie[ah/la..david singer]..you only got one song[poor me]
you have a child riffle butted/to death?..[on tape?]..how ya know it wasnt mossad..you know mostly all the anti church activity globally..centers arround israe..[4 times the globes..anti religion activity its much like the kid that did an abirtion/'film' but never actually had the abortion/which reminds me of the black jew problem/and some of them 'fixes'..in israel[4th reicke]..like in the 3rd reiche. its so sad really/a great people..claim god[the life giver good god/or the antichirst anti livfe anti goy..one eyed ignorant/living in the deserts/under the law..of the talmud http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm quotations;from the Soncino Edition of the Talmud,(Book) that actually says things like found hereunder http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/emmanuel-eisenberg-explains-his-right-to-disregard-international-law-and-destroy-private-property/ [presumably..AS I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND THIS BOOK I can only believe what i see written[hereunder] YEBAMOTH,60b...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an inquiry..and..'found'..in it..the daughter of a..'proselyte'..who was under the age of three years and one day...,and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest." (footnotes)"..A proselyte..under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest...And was married..to a priest. (i.e.,permitted to continue to live with her'husband'."] (Book) SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:.."What is meant by this?...Rab said:..Pederasty with a child below nine years of age..is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. (footnotes)"..The reference is to..the passive..'subject'/victim..of sodomy i have mentioned this at 3 other posted topic[and no one has yet been able to present the complete book[on the web]via a link...from what i read about it so far encourages me not to spend a penny actually bying this text.. that reportedly/guides rabbies of certain abrahamic/beliefs..i understand that the so called settlers in palistein..use the book as their authority..[to do unspeakable things in hidden places]... thus your being able to present the full text online...may allow me to either confirm or deney... http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear-your-9-times-more-likely-to-be-shot-by-a-copthan-terrorist/ Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 10:26:43 AM
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extracted/from
http://www.roitov.com/articles/apifior.htm Adjacent to.;.the Ottoman Wall,* the tomb is part of the Old City. Holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians,..it is a political nuclear bomb blocking..the way to permanent agreements.; http://www.roitov.com/articles/sharonmahriv.htm .[and/the-pope/will-be/there..\will/the 777..be..there too [it seems/they are setting..it up/to look-like..iran/highjacked/'the 777'..[see/the.thread];then crashed..it onto/the pope..to make..it look..so;..lets face.it/they seek.reaction/instant obedience/shock-value/timming. Are Israel..and the Vatican..attempting to bypass..the device and the Muslim world?..[no]..good/seek\to-do/good\ vile/seeks\to/\do/vile\. NOTE*>>..King David was almost for certain..buried elsewhere. The tradition..identifying the place..as his tomb started..only in the 12th century..and contradicts Biblical..evidence...[besides/israel/used..it\for..dept..of agri-culture].. Christian history..in the site..is better based...In the book Weights and Measures,..written by Epiphanius..in the 4th century,..it is said.."the church of God,..which was small,..where the disciples, when they had returned/after the Savior..had ascended from the Mount of Olives,..*went to..the upper room." In other words,..this is the site..of the Last Supper,..where the New Covenant between God..*and the people..was established...It is known as the Cenacle of Jesus,,,and also as the Upper Room..because it is located upstairs..the tomb...[The current Gothic structure..was built by the Crusaders,..in the 12th or 13th centuries.] The original building*..was a synagogue..apparently used by Jewish Christians,..which was spared during the destruction..of Jerusalem in 70AD...Three walls..of that structure still exist,..forming the north,..east..and south sides of the tomb. The Ottoman Empire confiscated/the place\..from the Christians and placed a mosque..*in it['s/walls].....Thus,..the Catholic Church claims ownership... Most visitors are Catholic./but..time=to..pay..malcehesidic/but which-one..is/the true semite?..the wisdom/of\solo-man..earns/his seat[re/the\7]. The establishment..of diplomatic relations..between the Holy See and Israel..demanded to address the issue..of Vatican properties in Israel...Their exact extent..and value is not known,[many/held..in/trust\[to machesidec]..but Ultra-Orthodox newspaper Kikar HaShabat..(The Sabbat's Square)..claims that they amount to many billions.[on-top/of\the..billions/israel\with-holds..of gaza/et-cet-era Since the British Mandate days,..religious buildings..(synagogues, mosques and churches)..are exempted from paying..[ malchazadick].. property tax ..the arnona)[=]..very/annoying Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 11:08:21 AM
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Israel wants structures*..[mosque/wall\tomb/guest]..to pay/the\rent/to/those\who..*owned..[in trust/to\by..the Vatican]
but..that are not churches..to pay the tax...The Catholic managed institutions refuse to pay,..demanding first the achievement of a comprehensive agreement..between Israel..and the Holy See. and/the\trade..of spirit/currency.. [ie]/gods-coin]..Such an agreement..demands to settle..the status of the King Davis's Tomb>>..why?..before we rush/to\war...pay-ya/rent\. Following..the conquest of Jerusalem..in 1967,Israel confiscated the structure*..which had been..until then under Muslim*/protection\ control...NOTE*..Since then,..the Tomb is managed..by the Ministry of Religious Affairs,..and the Cenacle by the Ministry of Justice. The second largest land owner..in the State of Israel..is the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem,..which is selling its properties to the state at an alarming rate.*[prior/notice?] In contrast,..the Catholic Church..is attempting to recover its historical properties..and settle the legal situation..with Israel./..and malchesdiedic. A possible solution..is to give the Cenacle..to the Church in exchange for..the Vatican agreeing/to pay property tax..as requested by Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews..are already screaming/previous-murder, mentioning the Sergei Backyard..as an antecedent. http://www.roitov.com/articles/sharonmahriv.htm http://www.roitov.com/articles/templemount.htm http://www.roitov.com/articles/busha.htm Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 11:08:33 AM
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OLO is to be commended for publishing this article, such a welcome antidote to the regular Zionist propaganda advanced by David Singer on this site. It has, predictably, brought out the usual anti_muslim rants from the usual suspects who seem incapable of (a) considering the factual situation set out by the author; and (b) giving a nano-second of thought to Australia's reputation in the world for its slavish adherence to the policies of this abominable regime.
I can do no better than quote the words of Craig Murray, former UK ambassador, in his blog on 30 April 2014, also commenting on John Kerry's rare moment of truth: "A state which has hundreds of laws defining the rights and obligations of different groups of citizens by their ethnicity, enforcing zoning and separate education and public service provisions, and even liming the right of defined ethnic groups to live with their spouses, is a state which can be characterised by no other word than apartheid." Murray goes on to suggest that Israel is even worse than South Africa in its apartheid days. This is without even considering the wilful ignoring of international law, the daily encroachment on Palestinian land, the murder of Palestinians as recently as yesterday, the ignoring of overwhelming UN votes etc etc. One could also raise the issue of computer virus attacks, the murder of Iranian scientists, the wholesale spying on its closest ally (ranked 3rd worst offender by the US intelligence agencies) and much else. All of which seems to matter not one jot to our erstwhile political leaders. Mr Dullfill is to be commended with shiny some light on what is a too dark a corner of the Australian psyche. Posted by James O'Neill, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 6:56:46 PM
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There is one basic principle in this conflict that overrides everything else as far as Australia is concerned.
It is the old principle that: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" It was in accordance with this principle that the West allied itself with Soviet Russia to defeat Hitler in World War 2. The main external threat facing Australia at present is coming from extremists in the muslim world. These people are also enemies of Israel. It therefore follows logically that at present Israel is an ally of Australia. Posted by plerdsus, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 7:44:06 PM
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GRAHAM: Thanks for publishing this essential article . Others are not so happy , & will probably get you for that .
@PLERDSUS: You are obviously sooo highly educated , clear-thinking and schmart . And you are sooo firm with us lesser items . In other words - you are quite the pushy , pontificating turd , aren't you ? I won't ask you whether you are an Australian citizen . But I do want to know whether you are a citizen of the country of Israel . I also want to know (not why Australian politicians ,on both sides, grovel to Israel - that is shamefully obvious) - I want to know why you think Israel is a friend of Australia . Thanks , @plerdsus . Posted by Loyal Australian, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 10:28:16 PM
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