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Knights and mates and republicanism-by-stealth : Comments

By Jeremy Sammut, published 31/3/2014

Republicanism-by-stealth has included removing the Queen’s picture from public buildings, replacing the title Queen’s Counsel with Senior Counsel, and eliminating references to the sovereign from the oath of office sworn by government ministers.

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Lego. Would you describe Sir Robert Menzies as a monarchist? On his watch Australia became a world leader in something that is known to benefit the health, education and well-being of society. Any idea what it was? No? It was egalitarianism: we had the smallest gap between rich an poor. I don't think republicanism has anything to do with equality, a fair go or any other laudable trait.

Agronomist - we used to have the Queen of a foreign country as our head of state, then we had the bright idea of making her Queen of Australia.
Posted by Candide, Monday, 31 March 2014 4:51:33 PM
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Jerry, your piece is a nasty polemic against republicanism in Australia - a view to which you are entitled, but it *is* only your personal opinion. You wrongly (IMO) entangle egalitarianism in your discussion. Egalitarianism is not a property of a particular political regime but rather a characteristic (or not) of the people living under any polity. To claim otherwise would imply that people living under a monarchy or a republic can evince egalitarianism, but not the people of both, and that is clearly wrong.

Regarding the restoration of the peerage in Australia, there's an old saying in the military that goes, "rank has its privileges." But to me "all privilege is rank."
Posted by JKUU, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 12:06:20 AM
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To Candide.

If there is one thing I do not believe in, it is socialist Egalitarianism. It may be a nice principle within communities, but it is an unattainable ideal. All societies above 200 souls will always stratify into classes, as different intelligence levels and different types of intelligences, sort out people according to skill specialisation. I am not a monarchist because I have any love of royalty, I am a monarchist because the people who despise the monarchy are the same sorts of people who I despise.

I have lived through a time when educated and supposedly intelligent people advocated Socialist egalitarianism as the way to create utopia. Even though every Socialist state in the world was little more than a giant prison camp. Even during WW2, far left wing (and vehemently anti monarchist) unions like the Waterside Workers Union, various Railways Unions, various Steel makers unions, and Coal miners unions, did everything they could to sabotage the war effort and stab Australian soldiers, seamen and airmen in the back. Incredibly, they even kept it up when Australia was on the verge of being invaded. It is hard to understand the Taliban like mentality of that, but it actually happened. It was as if class hostility was more important to them than self preservation.

Today, it is the tertiary educated elites turn to commit treason against their own people and their own country. They seem to think that always being opposed to the interests of their own people is what "intelligent" people must always do. And doing just that, marks them indelibly with the presumption that they are intelligent. Their entire country can go to hell in a hand basket as long as they can maintain their elevated self image of themselves as morally and intellectually superior people. And these snobs are the same ones who never tire of advocating Socialist egalitarianism. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.

One thing all these people have in common is their hatred of the monarchy. So I am the biggest monarchist around because anything these creatures advocate, I will do the opposite, just to nark them
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 5:30:35 AM
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Arise, Sir Lego. Your narking has been exemplary, your obfuscation brilliant, your beating around the bush without parallel, your twisted logic a tour de force.

Please contribute to OLO again soon, share with us the inner workings of your tiny, narky mind. Who knows, we might find something of value there for a change!

Why, the illustrious Tony, there's never been a better phoney, may reward you one day, make you Supreme Commander of the Narks.

Of course, reminded of his priestly wanderings, he might also feed you to the sharks!
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 9:48:24 AM
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the Monarchy system, this is what we Republicans do not like, we are all equal,
Ojnab,
But you do like & literally thrive on other even more meaningless & senseless pomp such as sporting heroes & other celebrities. Or the professors & Doctors of something or other.
The Republicans are nothing more than smoke screen monarchists. The monarchists usually are the smarter ones but don't ask me why.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 12:30:16 PM
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indi/quote..<<..The Republicans are nothing more than smoke screen monarchists. The monarchists usually are the smarter ones but don't ask me why.>>

its because its only too easy..to feel this[or that]..will fix it]..ht cures are easy]

but there is a strength..in an accountable benevolent entrenched servile upper class..content with a fair share..ans respect[indeed honors for honor earned..[trouble being when it goes wrong..there is even worse oppressions..as the forces are loyal/to the elite..not the people

but any service..can be converted from service to oppression
so whats the best way..?

takaway the ability to 'pick winners/looser'
make many little chiefs in many little but easy to control fiefdom
sepperate lawsd making from law enforcing ahd judging and incarceration..its just too much temptation/to anyone.

currently all the powers tie back to ratification/by hrh
but she has never ratified..ratification must be simplified[80 percent plus at election time?

thing is colonization had many successions..
we go to sleep..get enslaved..get set free /enslaved
but till they want freedom..benevolent govt care must be mandated
and abuses of trust or powers must be severe[loss of honour position
asset measure expulsion ridden out of town on a rail/tar and feather..stocks..[the ones you get put in]..not the bets on them increasing or decreasing as has been done..in 'your retirement' fund.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 12:55:13 PM
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