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Moral values and religious doctrines : Comments

By Max Atkinson, published 28/3/2014

How does this debate and the ordinary, everyday values it draws on, relate to arguments which appeal to religious authority?

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RE/QUOTED..<<.."God is one and indivisible">>.
the search term don't come up..AS A QUOTE
THUS WE HAVE A JOINING OF TWO/SEPARATE/QUOTES
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=God+is+one+and+indivisible>

THUS WE GET GOD IS ONE[OF US][AS GOD IS WITHIN ALL OF US]
THE Search ..is revealing..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=God+is+one&i

the indivisibly thing see,ms a jewish thing
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=God+is+indivisible&o

i dont need search..the 3 rd question//<<>god..IS the essence>>
AS life exists..only because his living ESSENCE DWELLS WITHIN US
but wtf//lets look at the search term/anyhow
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=God+is+ESSENCE&

its one of those search terms that energize us

<<..He exists simultaneously..in three different forms>>

now we get into the need to inform form
FROM THE FORMless..into all living form

GOD AS MANY HAVE SAID..ISN'T 'FORM'..[I THINK YU SAYS THAt bit best]
inform..him that form precludes function that form has many function
that god IS CAUSE OF ALL FUN AND FUNCTION

INFORM..HE..THE ESSENCE..of (God the father,]
SIGNIFIES THE END GAME[YE SHALL BE As gods]
that..YE KNOW..THE Formulations..you inform
i wish to inform THOU THOU ART<<.. God the son>

and that all form IS INFORMED..WITH\IN THE Words<<.. and God the Holy Ghost)>

omnipresent..means..THAT WHERE I AM..YOU too can be/but wherever life is there is gods goods OF THE HOLY SPIRIT INFORMING THE SUNS OF GOOD..WHAT WE ALL ARE..BEING..ALL OVER THe place..in googilians of locations..

ie everywhere life is there is A god sustaining the holy spirit/withIN-it..[IT Is godly..as its life essence iS WHOLLY eternal/OMNIPRESENT...[one WHOLLY HOLY WHOLE-spirit]..WHOLY SPPIRIT IS ONE/WITH EVERYONE..JUST AS THE ONE SAYS the sayinG...SAYING I AM AS I AM...AT ONE AS THE son of the sun[the sun of god..AS ONE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

in so much more thaN..<<three diferent places at the same time>>
OMNIPRESENT..IS SAYING I AM EVERYWHERE.and then some.

think/why..(we always need somebody smaller than ourselves)
yet consistently fail to SEE THE GREATNESS IN OTHER[see the miracle is all other]

feel the oneness with everything.
don't let THINE HEART BE DIVIDED..TO LOVE EVERYONE..IS HOW YOU LOVE THE FATHER and the sun..and the wholly spirited one*

have fun..the wholly SPIRIT CLEARLY DWELLS WITHIN you
[holy spirit/light sustaining life via logic [in]..live time all the time..FOR ALL Time and beyond any time-line]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 31 March 2014 8:33:15 AM
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Dear Banjo,

My understanding of monotheism is that it embodies the belief that God is a unitary entity. Your equation 1+1+1=1 is true in Boolean algebra. However, Christianity also embodies the equation 1+1=1. The latter equation is an expression of the belief that Jesus was divine. That is also a departure from monotheism. The divinity of Jesus and the trinity are Boolish in essence.

When Abraham Lincoln was practicing law he was cross-examining a hostile witness. He pointed to a calf outside of the window and asked the witness, "If I called that calf's tail a leg, how many legs would a calf have?"

The witness answered, "Five."

Lincoln replied, "Calling it a leg wouldn't make it a leg. Let's get to the truth."

Christians may choose to think of their religion as monotheistic. Because there are many Christians in this world that has been accepted. However, calling something what it isn't doesn't make it what it isn't.
Posted by david f, Monday, 31 March 2014 9:30:37 AM
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THE TRINITY IS A REVELATION..OUT OF BABYLON
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=TRINITY+ORIGONATion

I SUGGEST ITS LIKELY LINKED TO THE AGe/old calf thing
mosus came up against..and the POLITRICKS OF JESUS DAY..
OR LIKE That which led to the fall of babble..or the flood

you know that bad[YET REVEALING]..PENNY/That seems SO FAKE/But represents a truth that sustains its consistent re appearance

like IF AN ANGEL TOLD YOU..To call him Emmanuel..[eL MANUAL]
YET YOU CALL HIM JESUS..YOUR Missing a part of the tail..THE THING IS..THAT Trinity thing..is the only real thing that Christians have/FOUND.

saul/paul told progressive isms..AND the WITNESS[Gospel]..TELL WHAT THEY SAW..OR RATHER HOW THEY PERCEIVED..WHAT THEY DID WITNESS.

lie say jesus says..'its NOT YET MY TIME'
THAT MEANS JESUS DIDN'T 'turn'..toilet water into winE[THE SERVANTS DID SO THEIR 'MASTER'..WOULDN'T Loose face

any servant is not deceived
just as any jew IS NOT DECEIVED IN 4000/5000..JEWs sitting on a hill not eatING FOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD 'DIRTY Hands'..see the shew bread parrable[that reveals his deciples didnt KNOW THAT,.either]

THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR true living loving gods voice arnt deceived either[they can recognize it in any man..or rather his works rather than words..EVEN RECOGNIZABLE THE ONE TRUE GOOD HOLY SPIRIT..EVEN IN 'GOD'..LET ALONE A SUN OF GOD..[the sun]..radiating the holy spirits LIFE ENERGY/LIGHT/love/logic/logus life.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 31 March 2014 9:57:35 AM
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Dear Mr Max Atkinson,

you say:

“In most social and political disputes religion plays no role”, and

. . . “most of the time, on most matters, religion takes a back seat in our public debates”

Who do you refer to when you say “OUR” as in “our public debates” on morals etc.?

Surely you do not include in “OUR” the more than 10 million Australians not of an Anglo heritage nor even a European heritage BUT rather are descended from peoples and cultures from elsewhere like Asia, Africa, Middle East etc.? Yet I cannot see how you cannot include them since they are part of our multi-cultural society as much as any of the European-type peoples are.

Thus either –
(i) You have included these people in your thinking; OR
(ii) You have excluded these people in your thinking

If the answer is (i) then you have an enormous amount of catching up and learning to do since many if not MOST of the cultures and peoples who make up this other half of our nation (non-westerners) are not so likely to separate religion and their ethnic traditions from their debates about morality and politics.

If the answer is (ii) then you have committed an extremely racist crime of ignoring and discarding over half of Australia when you consider history, legal and moral culture and politics.

So Mr Max Atkinson is your definition of “OUR” as in the Australian people and culture, include these “other” peoples whom are not direct descendants and cultural heirs to the Liberal Western Enlightenment values and ideals as the descendants of the English colonisers are?

If not, please address this MASSIVE oversight in your thinking and apologize to those “ignored 10 million” by re-writing this article and include this time the factor of this phenomenon.
I realize it seems almost impossible a task, no doubt especially if you desire to retain your current image and friend base not to mention your career and any hope of future advancement.

. . . . continued in next post . . .
Posted by Jottiikii, Monday, 31 March 2014 2:34:05 PM
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However it is simply too important and REAL since it involves real live humans who our society must eventually incorporate and deal with one way or another whether that means forcing debate upon some groups (primarily those groups that are particularly strict and bigoted to those different to themselves).

– for instance IF we had a German ethnic population who all congregated in one main Sydney suburb and who openly seemed to preach, practice and fully endorse values and political ideals as bad as the Nazis they descended from, would we not instantly scorn them and address this?

For argument’s sake pretend we actually did have a German community who seemed obviously Nazi-like and even perhaps engaged in political endeavours to ultimately overthrow the Liberal west and to return to the Nazi Reich (for good measure pretend also that some were terrorists who had already bombed trains and destroyed the NY WTC in 2001).
What does everyone think would be Mr Atkinson’s response?
In fact I bet that Mr Atkinson and the others who share his obvious racist and classist ELITISM which allows their mindset to be so narrow and so selfish, that if these hypothetical Nazis existed as a Germanic ethnic community in Sydney, that he and the LEFT (and others) would be in instant agreement to smash them to oblivion without any due consideration.

That is to say, Atkinson and co. would (I bet anything) wish to imprison them with little regard to rights (remember what happened to Australia’s first political prisoner Pauline Hanson?) and if they could to deport them back to Europe regardless of whether some were born in Australia or not.

. . . continue next post . .
Posted by Jottiikii, Monday, 31 March 2014 2:48:57 PM
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. . . Post to Max Atkinson continued . . .

Most definitely they would at least give no support to them or their cause like they do with other extremely violent and hateful and super-racist supremacist groups like the “Muslim extremists” and others (who the Left even protest along side of).

If you doubt my hypothesis just recall how the western world treated White South Africa during “Apartheid” – how they were banned from all international sport and shunned from many other things until the whites handed control to the negroes.

Yet right now today apartheids exist all over the world. India has extreme oppression of women and especially of low castes (poor people); much of Asia has near slave labour which fuels their wealth and which we westerners buy into and exploit; filthy rich Arab nations have apartheid against all women and all peoples of different religions and other races such that in some places to be a non-Muslim is illegal.

But the west does not impose some sanctions on these nations. They still play at the Footbal world cup and in the Olympics.
Why?

Don't stress I will answer it for you.

Answer: you (wealthy westerners generally but mostly the Left) believe that these "third-worlders" are non-human or at least "sub-human". This is why you do not speak to them up front and as an equal you respect, as to respect them requires honesty and frankness.

No, in fact you hope they stay in that dark little corner you "think" they are in, you do not wish to be "BUSTED" by all for being a racist and an elitist.
Posted by Jottiikii, Monday, 31 March 2014 2:52:37 PM
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