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Holy Land for holy dollar? : Comments

By David Singer, published 27/3/2014

US Secretary of State John Kerry has increased the possibility of renewed conflict in the Holy Land with some very confusing remarks this week refuting his earlier demand that the PLO recognize Israel as the Jewish State.

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Kerry keeps dancing around the fact that no "law" can have the status of justice or of international law if it specifies that any ethnic group is above anyone else among the world's 7 billion human beings. None. Not any. Not even if the blasphemous claim is made that God chose it. Not even if the sirs of any nation or nations write documents or pass any resolutions giving it special status. Anywhere. Every time John Kerry or Hilary Clinton or anyone else caves in to special pleaders for international recognition of racist laws he or she will be called out on it. This includes the special pleader who writes racist pleas to OLO. Learn from the Boers, Mr Singer, whose racist state seemed set in stone until the anger of its victims and the scorn of the world brought it down in a heap.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 27 March 2014 1:34:43 PM
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singer wrote
"Maintaining commitments to long standing allies apparently now plays second fiddle to American business enterprises earning international dollars."

Are you really that naive/stupid?
America worships the dollar above all else. Always has.
The seppoes will drop you jews quicker than you can say mazeltov if there is a buck in it.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 27 March 2014 4:56:19 PM
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#Emperor Julian

Does your hatred of the Jewish State extend to an identical hatred for the 56 Islamic States that exist among the world's 7 billion human beings?

Their objectives as expressed in the OIC Charter of which they are members include:

"to be guided by the noble Islamic values of unity and fraternity, and affirming the essentiality of promoting and consolidating the unity and solidarity among the Member States in securing their common interests at the international arena;

to preserve and promote the lofty Islamic values of peace, compassion, tolerance, equality, justice and human dignity;

to endeavour to work for revitalizing Islam’s pioneering role in the world while ensuring sustainable development, progress and prosperity for the peoples of Member States;

to enhance and strengthen the bond of unity and solidarity among the Muslim peoples and Member States; "

Do you have one set of standards for the one Jewish State in the world and a different standard for the 56 Islamic States?

Syria for one has seen the slaughter of 140000 of its citizens over the last three years. the displacement of 3.5 million people from their homes and the creation of 2.5 million refugees.

How many posts have you made condemning Syria in the last three years - or Egypt or Yemen or Afghanistan or Libya or Iraq or Pakistan or Sudan or Iran - and are you urging that their "racist laws" and "their victims and the scorn of the world" should bring them all down in a heap?

How many Jew-hating posts have you published on OLO in that time?

You are beneath contempt.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 27 March 2014 6:33:39 PM
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To Mr David Singer: Islam is not a race and is not passed on genetically. You can't be born a Moslem or born a non-Moslem. Islam is a (vile) cult and can be adopted by a state as its guiding "principle" though it is much better described at http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war (read it!) than in the smarmy sugar-coating of the OIC Charter. The racial structure of Islamic states does not require “recognition”. What the Zionists overlook is that the issues in Palestine are not between Jews and Arabs but between racially selected land thieves posing as ethnically "special" and the entire rest of the human beings on earth.

The Israel that seeks recognition as a Jewish homeland is seeking recognition that Jews who are equal before the law with everyone else in their own homelands don't really have a homeland and are entitled to grab someone else's and threaten the rest of the world with war to secure it and continually expand it. Crimes committed by Israel against its neighbours are not its main crimes but are downstream crimes flowing from the Nakba and the need to secure its ill-gotten booty at the rest of the world's expense.

I don't know enough about Mr Singer to say whether he is "one of the rest of us" but he sure goes to a lot of trouble to declare he isn't.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 28 March 2014 2:46:04 AM
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#Emperor Julian

Islamic sources contradict your assertion that no one can be born a Moslem

The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam.

http://islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm

Your claim that Islam is not a religion but a vile cult is contradicted by the article you referred me to - which states:

"Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law."

I didn't read the word "cult" anywhere in the article. Please direct me to the place where Islam is so discussed.

The Palestinian Arabs claim genetic descent from their fathers:

PLO Charter:

Article 5:

"The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian."

OIC Charter - Chapter II Article 3.2 states:

"Any State, member of the United Nations, having Muslim majority and
abiding by the Charter, which submits an application for membership may join the Organisation if approved by consensus only by the Council of Foreign Ministers on the basis of the agreed criteria adopted by the Council of Foreign Ministers."

Differentiating between 56 Islamic States whose majority populations are Moslem and 1 Jewish State whose majority population is Jewish is a load of codswallop.

Rub them all out - Jewish and Moslem - or let them all exist.

Make your choice.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 28 March 2014 2:49:10 PM
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David Singer: A cult is a false belief system with multiple adherents. Islam is built on the claim that the Angel Gabriel dictated the Koran to Mohammed. If this claim is not true it is false. I plump for false and Mr Singer seems to opt for true. That the Koran itself is false is demonstrated in extensive detail by Raymond Ibrahim in the Taqiyya article I cited. Thus Islam is a cult whether Ibrahim chose the word or not. That it is vile is demonstrated by its history of suppression of human liberty. If there really is/was an Angel Gabriel who really did dictate the Koran to a desert murderer, then and only then is Islam not as a cult. But to allow Mr Singer his diversionary objection let’s call Islam a wheelbarrow instead.

The PLO definition of a Palestinian is reasonable though I’d quibble at “father” and “Arab”. The continuity though (individually identifiable) ancestors not living in Palestine is reasonable in the special circumstances of the Naqba). Many Palestinians though are not Arabs. A lot are Jews – Palestinan by place of birth and Jewish by ancestry.

“How many Jew-hating posts have you published on OLO in that time?” Easy: None. Can this special pleader identify any?

“How many posts have you made condemning Syria in the last three years (etc)?” None. The mutual slaughter of tribal savages should be suppressed if that was possible but where Zionism in a unique threat to the world is that through its corruption of mainly US and European politics it has potential, connections and will to edge us into World War III to support its racist ambitions.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 28 March 2014 7:14:46 PM
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