Hi halduell

Who's sluices? Where are people walking around ankle deep? Is it uniform worldwide and if not why not?

You don't get up my nose at all. But have the questions I asked of Agronomist, which you have avoided, gotten up your nose?

Chris Flannery doesn't believe you. He bought an estuarine property and he isn't ankle deep, although I'd like to examine the depth of his integrity.

'Geez, Nutter, that was so easy.'
Two points; I guess some of us are born to lead and others to copy.
And it is if you don't address the issues. So what about addressing Agronomist deceptions and answering the questions I asked.

I live on a yacht so my feet are never ankle deep and if the were to be then I'd simply turn on my bilge pump.

btw I too believe the climate is changing.

imajulianutter,

Your answers in order.

Why should we be interested in the DTR of the last 17 years? Why not the last 18 years? Or the last 23 years? What is so special about 17 years? You could read the research paper I linked to find the values for any specific period.

It is cooler today than it was yesterday if that is what you mean?

Arctic sea ice measured in February has declined by 3% per decade since 1979.

Why are you interested cherry picking the OLR for February 2014? It is higher than June 2011, but lower than May 2011.

"These changes make a noticeable difference to the shape (but not the overall trend) of the GMSL curves. They make little difference to regional patterns."

Well that was pretty easy. You really need to cherry pick better next time.

imajulianutter

Agronomist was right when he stated that the Arctic ice was down in February 2014, very easy to use Mr Google to find that out. I have been following whats been occurring in the Arctic for several months on a particular site, here is a site i discovered tonight that you might like to go to:

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The reference works, I'm not sure why it doesn't come up as a hyperlink

A quote from the National Snow & Ice Data Centre " Arctic sea ice extent in February 2014 averaged 14.44 million square kilometers (5.58 million square miles). This is the fourth lowest February ice extent in the satellite data record, and is 910,000 square kilometers (350,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average. The lowest February in the satellite record occurred in 2005.

A further quote: " ...Barens Sea and the Sea of Okhotsk, helping to keep the Arctic ice extent two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 average...."

There has been a decline in ice sheet cover since 1978 shown in the same article.

Details from an official site, but a denier provides different data:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-volume-up-50-from-last-year/

A few sites have disputed the veracity of the claims made by Watts, one being:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Anthony_Watts_blog.ht

Lol!...imajulianutter,

This thread is ankle deep.

What was that you said about turning on your bilge pump?

(It's time:)

Instead of anthroprogenic climate change through CO2, the clip below suggests that climate change is being used as a weapon of war through geo-engineering. The ultimate conspiracy theory I guess; that many people would believe after seeing a film clip or a presentation. Its a new way to explain unprecedented weather.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

Australia has a station at Cape Grim that measures air quality, there is also a station at Hawaii and I understand there are a number of other air quality measuring stations. So any deviation from the normal air quality would be picked up. It's a good conspiracy theory that promotes the view man is causing climate change.

I am aware though that geo-engineering has been discussed in relation to bacteria being placed in areas where the release of methane and methane hydrates is being voided at dangerous levels. A particular type of bacteria breaks down methane to something less dangerous. But I stress there is only talk about that on a blog, rather than action.

The people peddling the view that geo-engineering is happening are not telling lies, it's something they believe to be the case; and so, are expressing what they believe. The word "fraud" has been bandied about a lot, that's why I chose to write that silly bit about "atoms".

Yesterday, I was listening to the radio and Professor Krauss was saying that they are within a brief moment in picking up when the Universe was born. None of us really can know whether that is true, it will be for scientists to forensically pull apart Professor Krauss's view, a hugely respected scientist believes to be the case at this point. That is how science works, Professor Krauss will also be continuing to ask questions about his hypothesis. There will not be any controversy about this as his research is not seen to impact on the fossil fuel industry.
Climate change is happening.

Dear GrahamY,

I did indeed think Leo Lane was referring to Mann's case against Rand Simberg but although Simberg holds degrees in Engineering and Mathematics I'm not sure he can be labelled a scientist.

As to the story Leo Lane posted you are entirely correct it was wrong, something Steven McIntyre from climateorg.com pointed out the day after it was posted;

“I checked with Tim Ball and the Ball lawsuit has not been dismissed. They have outstanding discovery requests, but to go from mere delay to succeed in a motion for dismissal is a large step and one that has not been taken.”

Dear Leo Lane,

So mate the one and only fact you have sought to put here is completely in-factual. Ouch. Now that is just too good. As I said you really aren't very good at this are you.

Aw, now I'm feeling a tad sorry for you. Tell you what, stop using the term 'terrorists' and I will never mention this again.

Oh as to 'Presidential lying' the words I quoted in my post were actually form George W Bush, so is he to be deemed a liar and a fraudster?