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Why are we still struggling with gender equality? : Comments
By Conrad Liveris, published 5/3/2014However, we face a growing gender pay gap and lack of political or economic will to really change this. We've been stagnant, and at times regressive, over the past twenty years.
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Posted by Raycom, Saturday, 8 March 2014 6:10:28 PM
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As females are just as selfish as males we can safely say that there is gender equality. If some from either side believe they're not getting their share then they need to look into a mirror.
We have unemployement, a stuffed economy, hungry & homeless people, victims of crime being persecuted etc etc & some morons have nothing nothing more to worry about than this gender equality crap ? Get a life dimwits ! Posted by individual, Saturday, 8 March 2014 6:47:01 PM
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raycom the links I tried to follow were premium content and I could not get to them.
These may be relevant http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-education/simplistic-view-distorts-graduate-pay-scale-findings-20130104-2c8x8.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/07/graduates-gender-pay-discrepancy-data-dropped-from-report and a start with the WGEA material https://www.wgea.gov.au/learn/about-pay-equity My impression is that some of the points WGEA make have validity but they overrate the societal pressure aspects when it helps their point of view and ignore it when it's not convenient. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Saturday, 8 March 2014 7:10:00 PM
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Suseonline "I get sick of the whining men on this site blaming feminism,... in fact all women, for all their problems in life."
Isn't that exactly what the "equalist" activists are doing? Blaming all men for the presumed "problems" of women. As usual, progressive activists accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of. Posted by Shockadelic, Saturday, 8 March 2014 9:36:48 PM
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Look,
ANYONE SERIOUS ABOUT ANY EQUALITY INCLUDING GENDER, unless you would first attack every single embassy of cultures and nations where women are almost in apartheid and also where many groups are mistreated and abused and neglected, such as Extremely rich Arab Gulf nations as well as basically ALL the third world and Asia . . . . . . . . . BEFORE you would go to some Western nations door and begin the attack and only focus the attack at this place, THEN GO AWAY and do not bother discussing this issue. I Know this seems harsh but it is necessary considering the state of affairs that modern and rich westerners can spend 100% effort in their "attack" on gender inequality and other inequalities on the WEST where quite truthfully (regardless of whether any issues still persist and need improving) the West is by far the most tolerant and advanced culture for rights etc. (even though I still rage at the ingrained severe classism present here). If this truth cannot move a person than not much can and anyone acting as though they care and are involved in improving rights for all etc. IS a FRAUD and is in fact IN THE WAY. Posted by Jottiikii, Saturday, 8 March 2014 10:51:41 PM
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Jottikilli, no need to shout.
This is an opinion forum, so everyone is entitled to their opinion. No point in yelling at others to go away from an opinion forum because you don't like their opinion. That rather defeats the purpose of an opinion forum... Shockadelic, are you calling me a 'progressive'? So I'm an advocate for social reform then? Excellent! I agree I would like to see social reform. So you think there is no need for any changes in our society? Lucky you. I am not suggesting men should be the downtrodden gender, but rather that men and women should be treated equally, whereas if things stay as they are, then women will remain downtrodden in many areas of our society. We only need to look at the appalling domestic violence statistics that show women are bashed and killed by their intimate partners on a daily basis in this country, but the media focuses on 'one-punch'' deaths and other murders as though women killed by their intimate partners are not really a murder at all. Until our society treats these domestic assaults and murders just the same as any other assaults and murders, then we are no where near equality of the genders. (And yes, that goes for the few men that are killed by their intimate partners too, of course.) Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 9 March 2014 1:29:59 PM
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Sloan pointed out that " the explanation of the graduate earnings gap stems from the fact that men and women are differently represented in the various fields of study and graduate earnings vary markedly across the fields. Some of the highest earning graduates -- dentistry, engineering -- are dominated by men. Moreover, there are relatively low response rates among some graduates, which reduces the statistical validity of the survey results in any case."
One of the principal objects of the 2012 Act is to "improve the productivity and competitiveness of Australian business through the advancement of gender equality in employment and in the workplace." However, if the national interest is to be best served , business needs to appoint and promote its workers on the basis of merit -- not gender equality -- if it is to improve productivity and competitiveness.
Sloan opined that "The operation of the WGEA is just another example of what I call the government trying to teach grandmothers to suck eggs", and concluded with, "My advice to the Coalition is to promise to abolish the WGEA. It is a bad and costly joke and we would be better off without it."
It is not surprising that Sloan confirms her view of the WGEA in no uncertain terms in her recent article, "Surge in red tape gives gender equality a bad name", accessible at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/surge-in-red-tape-gives-gender-equality-a-bad-name/story-fnbkvnk7-1226844019243.