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Will Russia deploy military forces to Ukraine? : Comments

By Ali Omidi, published 28/2/2014

One can assume Russia has not been idle and has been working out an effective strategy in order to reduce the geopolitical costs of what is going on in this East European country for Moscow.

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To follow and put into perspective what is happening in Ukraine, readers might want to read the posts at:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.au/
Posted by halduell, Friday, 28 February 2014 8:16:20 AM
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you can bet ya house on it

here look at whats coming..is we allow usa/eu gambit a win
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/video-goes-viral-ukraine-nationalist-activist-attacking-prosecutor

thE EUROPIA MEIN CAMPH/4 TH REIKE HAS ..NEARLY ENDED
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/fed_to_cut_off_europe_to_support_us_borrowing.html#.Uw-TNyntn6A.gmail

ITS ALL BLUFF AND WIND
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-27/nato-warns-russia-against-ukraine-meddling-amid-crimea-unrest.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle1.m3u
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/podcast.php

AND GUESS WHAT..let it snow/just like last time
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/02/27/more-snow-philadelphia-monday-forecast/
Posted by one under god, Friday, 28 February 2014 8:29:36 AM
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hear from 33 minute mark
http://rss.infowars.com/20140227_Thu_Alex.mp3

food prices are a key INDICATOR..its how they get you in the street
so theY CAN SAY..YOUR IN THE STREET FOR SOMETHING ELSE/..what is happening now..is what was mentioned at fatima.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 28 February 2014 8:58:53 AM
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London to a brick it will, and it really would be history simply repeating itself?
However, in the past the nations that were invaded simply rolled over and begged for a tummy rub. The Ukraine is a very different kettle of fish, with a few former Soviet ICBM silos and a warm port to bargain with.
Even so, it could win back the autonomous Crimea, which was part of Russia a little over a century ago, and where most of the population still speak Russian.
However, no matter which country the Crimea declares military allegiance to, they will still want and likely fight, to keep their hard won autonomy.
I mean, who can trust a patently power hungry, Sabre rattling Putin!?
I believe the Ukraine could win/swing back back popular eastern support, simply by Guaranteeing that self governing autonomy and alternative, endlessly sustainable and entirely independent energy supplies!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 28 February 2014 11:08:46 AM
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@Halduel. Thanks for the link. It provided some useful information. More than can be said of this simplistic article that manages to ignore most of the crucial questions. Paul Craig Roberts has a typically blunt column on his website that repays a visit.

The US/NATO have been actively undermining the Ukraine government for years, as Victoria Nuland's leaked audiotape reveals, for a number of years. That audio tells us too much about how the US conducts its foreign policy which is why it rapidly disappeared down the msm memory hole. The US promoted "colour revolution" didn't achieve the desired result, so they are trying again.

This time they backed the so-called "moderates", conveniently overlooking that in doing so they were attempting to overthrow a legitimately elected government. To the surprise of none actually familiar with Ukrainian history, that faction was easily replaced in short order by far right elements. "Neo-Nazi" is a misnomer. They are Nazis, pure and simple. Their roots derive from the Ukraine sourced Waffen SS divisions that fought on Hitler's side against the Soviet Union in WW2. The rhetoric (and tactics) of their leadership is straight out of the Hitler playbook.

The US/NATO of course had wider ambitions than simply the replacement of a pro-Russia government. Their aim is to further the encirclement of Russia with more missile bases, thus increasing the insane belief of some elements of the US military who believe that they can succeed in a nuclear first strike against the Russians.

cont.
Posted by James O'Neill, Friday, 28 February 2014 11:51:44 AM
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cont.

A secondary goal was the closure of the major Russian naval base at Sevastopol in the Crimea.

As typically happens, events spiralled out of control very rapidly. The Ukraine has now entered a very dangerous phase, with a civil war increasingly likely, as is a military intervention, at least in the East and South, by the Russians. US warnings against such an intervention is yet another indication of the double standards that govern Western "diplomacy".

This morning's Australian predictably uses the events as an opportunity for more Putin bashing, ignoring the role of the US in fomenting trouble, and ignoring the history of the region. The Russians have no such illusions or memory hole.

It is an incredibly dangerous situation. The hubris, greed and stupidity of the West in pursuit of its geo-political goals could well escalate to a full blown war.

And Security Council member Australia's response? A stunning silence from our erstwhile Foreign Minister whom, one suspects, would have trouble locating Ukraine on a map.
Posted by James O'Neill, Friday, 28 February 2014 11:58:45 AM
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A good article.

Crimea, the base for Russia's Black Sea Fleet, is certainly a major Russian interest in the Ukraine that Putin wouldn't want to lose.

I think its understandable that Russia, with only one all year round major naval base (in Crimea) wants to hang onto Crimea. Significantly Russia has leased the Crimea-Sevastopol naval base from Ukraine until 2042.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol

Then Russia probably also expects to maintain unobstructed road-rail access from Russia proper, through eastern Ukraine to its Crimean naval base.

Hopefully that's all Putin wants.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 28 February 2014 12:07:40 PM
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@James O'Neill
I agree that today's Australian had a typically Murdoch response to this unfolding crisis, but how about today's Guardian?
I especially liked their statement, (Acting Ukraine President) Turchynov, speaking to the parliament in Kiev, described the attackers (in the Crimea) as "criminals in military fatigues with automatic weapons".
And who, pray tell, does he think put him in his new very unofficial office? He certainly wasn't elected to it!
We are so very poorly served by our mainstream press, especially in foreign affairs.
Posted by halduell, Friday, 28 February 2014 12:15:15 PM
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James, I would reckon that the Prime Minister of the Laughable Country could no more locate the Ukraine on a world map than his Foreign Minister.

Australia is becoming much like North Korea. It is a land of whispers and furtive meetings, of clandestine decisions and unprotected sex.

The back-stabbings will come soon and that will be followed by our troops going to the Ukraine or Syria, wherever the U.S. or our fearless, feckless leader decides.

Weren't we the Lucky Country once? I must've been asleep!
Posted by David G, Friday, 28 February 2014 2:07:17 PM
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Yep - we would have been an Unlucky Country if we were forced to speak Japanese from 1942.

Thank God the US protected us. No other power did.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 28 February 2014 4:09:03 PM
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Pete, you need to bring your history books up to date. The only reason the Americans were here in 1942 was because they had been kicked out of the Philippines. We know from Japanese documents that they had no intention of invading Australia. the supply lines would have made that impossible.

In any case, what does that have to do with the Ukrainian situation? You are surely not suggesting that because the Americans were here in 1942-45 we should overlook their current (i.e. post 1945) behaviour.

There are strong indications that what is happening in the Ukraine owes more than a little to the ongoing policies of Operation Gladio. Your history books may have missed that also. Read Ganser's NATOs Secret Armies, or Richard Cottrell's Gladio. Or if you really want to pursue the theory of American altruism read Turse's Kill anything that Moves and Scahill's Dirty Wars.

The world is a less nice place than you might imagine.
Posted by James O'Neill, Friday, 28 February 2014 4:24:20 PM
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Giday James O'Neil

You would have noticed that twas me mate David G who brought up the US:

"The back-stabbings will come soon and that will be followed by our troops going to the Ukraine or Syria, wherever the U.S. or our fearless, feckless leader decides."

You will excuse me for giving you historical instruction. Of course the US has its own national interests. In the WW2 case the American need to defend Guadalcanal and fight the Battle of the Coral Sea coincided with our interests of avoiding Japanese blockade.

About Ukraine me mate Davo's suggestion of an armed intervention by the US is as wrong-headed as Poobah.

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 28 February 2014 4:38:50 PM
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Stefan Molyneux and Paul Craig Roberts discuss "The Road to World War 3: Ukraine, Russia and American Imperialism"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKH9bmH2YII&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w&feature=c4-overview
Article about the FEMEN, Pussy Riot, Gay Rights provocateurs:
http://www.deliberation.info/pussy-riot-connections-to-soros/
FEMEN are reportedly auditioned, selected based on how good looking they are and paid a stipend of 2,500 EUR a month:
http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/9102.html
Western-backed Ukrainian opposition seizes power in fascist-led putsch
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/24/ukra-f24.html
US and EU Are Paying Ukrainian Rioters and Protesters — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 28 February 2014 4:48:59 PM
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The USA were stopped by Russia from invading Syria. The head of Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey had a big hand in stopping this insanity.

He is also advising against an invasion by NATO of the Ukraine. This is akin to Russia putting nukes in Cuba again.

Putin knows about the West's New World Order and does not want to be subjugated by it;nor does China.

So if you want a Nuclear conflict backed by the West's banking psychopaths, continue to believe the BS of our corporate media.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 28 February 2014 8:02:44 PM
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At the Grammy awards Lorde the pop singer commented," Planet Earth is run by psychopaths that hide behind the slick marketing of freedom, propaganda and economic growth rhetoric while they construct a system of global totalitarianism." Needless to say the corporate media censored her acceptance speech. See the full transcript.

http://snoopman.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/lordes-suppressed-grammy-award-acceptance-speech-full-transcript-26-january-2014/
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 1 March 2014 12:17:40 AM
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Arjay,
Yep, sounds like something a seventeen year old girl would say.
If I read the word "psychopaths" in this context again I'm going to retch, psychopathy is a loose term referring to certain personality traits not a personality type and high functioning psychopaths aren't all "Dr Evil" caricatures.
If we're talking about demagogues I can't think of one single contemporary, authoritative figure who even displays any obvious psychopathic traits, furthermore it's impossible to tell for sure unless you're personally involved with a person.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 1 March 2014 6:30:56 AM
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Jay of Melbourne; Psychopathy is defined as a personality disorder that is anti-social behaviour that exhibits diminished empathy and remorse often expressed with uninhibited bold behaviour.

I think Lorde was right and these personality traits when groomed by this Corporate lust for power make them very dangerous. It is a matter of degree and stats say that up to 6% of us exhibit these traits. Perhaps some reading this are feeling a little affronted and that's why they don't like the analogy.

For our leaders like Obama and the Corporations who empower them to want to surround and attack Russia/China and risk a nuclear confrontation is just insane and definitely psychopathic.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 1 March 2014 6:51:03 AM
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Arjay,
I tend to agree with Stefan Molyneux on this, over the last 100 years Liberals and Democrats have shown themselves to be incompetent in dealing with issues of international relations. They caused the two most catastrophic wars the world has ever seen, deployed nuclear weapons for the first time and sold millions into slavery under Stalin and Mao.
They're not psychopaths, they're driven purely by emotions and their weakness is their empathy because it paralyses them and causes situations to spiral further and further out of control, a psychopathic leader would just behead the enemy so they weren't in his way anymore.
We're in the same situation as 38-39, weak Liberal leaders in the West writing cheques they can't cover and trying to put back the inevitable the confrontation with Nationalism in the East.
We can only hope that this time the Liberal Democrats are too weak to do anything stupid or we may be seeing Dunkirk at Odessa, or worse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELyJnz23E0
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 1 March 2014 7:54:46 AM
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James O'Neill

"A stunning silence from our erstwhile Foreign Minister whom, one suspects, would have trouble locating Ukraine on a map."

All that Australian foreign ministers need to do is locate the USA on a map and then listen carefully to instructions.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 1 March 2014 9:24:39 AM
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Hey, Pete, you must be having a senior's moment! Didn't you know that the Yanks waited for almost two years before they joined WW2 on our side? Yes, they stood aside and waited for Germany to reduce most of Europe to rubble. I don't want to 'rubble' this in but that's what happened.

I remind people of this fact as often as I can as well as bringing up the Iraq sanctions and the Agent Orange in Vietnam and the napalm and the depleted uranium in SouthEast Asia which killed millions of kids and the cluster bombs and Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the fire-bombing of Tokyo, and the torture done in Abu Graib and Guatanamo and the U.S. Special Ops and Assassination Squads which rove around our world killing and destroying and raping and exposing children to radio-activity, etc, etc.

The U.S. is about as noble as Pol Pot or Chairman Mao and as screwy as Hitler.

Pete, the U.S. is trying to put a noose around the Ukraine and Russia before China gets stronger. China and Russia will make sure it fails and for the world's sake, I have a similar hope!

Americans are a race of barbaric pirates. Blackbeard provided their genes. Americans have provided the greed, the brutality, the mendacity, etc.

Americans are no better than the Japanese or the Germans were!

In fact an argument could be made they are worse.
Posted by David G, Saturday, 1 March 2014 10:08:33 AM
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Well was not that patriotic yank Shirley Temple nice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLLSqpYyPD8

Poyda
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 1 March 2014 10:33:19 AM
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Unfortunately, Pete, Shirley is not going to save us from the looney white invaders who claim they are exceptional. I'm still trying to find a situation where something they've done is memorable. Their fight against the Japanese was motivated by survival instinct!

Slavery is not a human virtue, Pete, and neither was dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and depleted uranium on Iraq to say nothing about their use of Agent Orange and phosphorous munitions and land mines and napalm.

The history of the human race is sordid and brutal and it gets worse by the day. Once Knights fought nobly. Now you kill anyway you can and it's no big deal anymore if women and kids are your victims.

The U.S. is the world's biggest killer!
Posted by David G, Saturday, 1 March 2014 12:22:41 PM
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David G,
I resent the use of the term "White" in that post, the U.S hasn't been run by "White" people for a hundred years and the vast bulk of their victims were "White". If it hadn't been for the cooler "White" heads in the White House in 1945 most of the adult population of Germany and her allies would have been sterilised or shipped off to Siberia and Africa as slaves.
http://justice4germans.com/2013/07/03/the-kaufman-and-morgenthau-plans-to-exterminate-the-germans-prior-to-during-and-after-ww-ii/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 1 March 2014 1:14:38 PM
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And let it be selectively forgotten that Japan killed an estimated 30 million people in World War Two - mainly Chinese.

So would it be better if Putin invaded Ukraine - as long as the West lets it happen?
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 1 March 2014 1:46:45 PM
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mac if you remember some of Julie Bishop's articles on OLO they were not very edifying. I think much to the ire if Grahamy we ripped into her on many policy fronts which were just a reflection of the Corporate vision of their one world empire.

To Graham's credit with his mainstream vision of economics/politics he does not try to censor comments which run against the grain. Try posting these views on blogs such as Andrew Bartlett ,Club Troppo or Skeptic Lawyer and they shut you out down quick smart. To John Passant credit he does post opinions contrary to his vision.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 1 March 2014 3:26:19 PM
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Arjay,

Agreed, OLO and En Passant are two of the better blogs, I'd include New Matilda. Let's be realistic, many blogs exist simply to disseminate propaganda, not as genuine discussion forums, however, it's the blog admin's bat and ball after all. As long as any blog is a legitimate open forum the administrator's politics really shouldn't matter.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 1 March 2014 6:40:42 PM
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David G,

"Once Knights fought nobly."

No, never, they were brutal predators who terrorised Europe, the only respect they showed was usually to members of their own military elite, not to their numerous helpless victims.

The level of violence is actually decreasing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5X2-i_poNU‎
Posted by mac, Saturday, 1 March 2014 6:53:53 PM
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Mac,
We're in the era of "post Westphalian" or "fourth generation" warfare, the work of William S Lind is a valuable tool in understanding the state of play in the recent and coming decades:
http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Lind_Index,00.html
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 1 March 2014 8:03:38 PM
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JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR HERE
are we the goodies..or the badies
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Pierre_Omidyar_co-funded_Ukraine_revolution_groups_with_US_government%2C_documents_show/33271/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-830-william-engdahl-exposes-the-western-agenda-in-ukraine/
[yes iT DONT SEEM IMPORTANT..TILL ITS YOU]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xdkU79nZIq4
http://intellihub.com/like-living-police-state/
http://intellihub.com/control-cops-power-trips-now-murdering-daily-free-range/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4&feature=player_embedded
http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle2.m3u
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 1 March 2014 8:55:22 PM
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"...the work of William S Lind is a valuable tool in understanding the state of play in the recent and coming decades:
http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Lind_Index,00.html" says Mac!

What coming decades, Mac? The Yanks and coming and, given their stupidity, they'll wipe the whole bloody slate clean!
Posted by David G, Sunday, 2 March 2014 9:47:26 AM
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David G,

They were Jay of M's comments, not mine.
Posted by mac, Sunday, 2 March 2014 12:52:00 PM
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Further evidence has emerged on the origins ofd the current situation in the Ukraine. Attempts had been made by the German Foreign Minister Steinmeier, French FM Fabius and Polish FM Sikorski who all flew to Kiev to reach a resolution before the violence escalated. The US was not invited. Hence Nuland's infamous "F..k" the EU remark.

The compromise negotiated by the three EU FMs plus Russian and Ukrainian representatives lasted only 12 hours. Snipers began shooting into the crowds in Maidan Square on 22 February 2014. Chaos ensued. the immediate questions were: cui bono; and who deployed the snipers?

The evidence now is that the snipers came from an ultra right wing military organisation whose initials are UNA-UNSO. Its leader, Andriy Shkil is an adviser to Julia Tymoshenko, commencing that role during the US inspired so-called Orange Revolution of 2003-04. they were prominent in backing the pro-NATO Yushehenko against the pro-Russian Yanukovich.

UNA-UNSO has close ties to the German National Democratic Party (Nazis 21C style). What is off special interest is that UNA-UNSO has been involved in every anti-Russian revolt since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. They are not an Ukrainian nationalist group as the supine western press would like us to believe, but part of NATO's Gladio organisation that I referred to in an earlier post.

UNA-UNSO's activities include the Lithuanian unrest in 1991, the Yeltsin coup of 1991, Abkhazia in 1993, the on-going Chechen war, and the 2008 mini-war in Georgia.

In short, the Ukraine is a classic Gladio destabilisation exercise stage managed by Washington as part of its on-going campaign against Russia.
Posted by James O'Neill, Sunday, 2 March 2014 1:15:02 PM
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James,
The NPD are run by the BND, the German Federal Intelligence Service, that's an accepted fact on the "far right", they even joke that four out of the five people at every NPD meeting are agents.
There's a certain German expat prominent in the Australian "far right" who's involved himself in every "Neo Nazi" provocation over the las 10-15 years, he also worked for the Democrats, One Nation, Australia First, National anarchist movement as well as directing the activities of the Volksfront and Blood and Honour skinhead groups. Where did he begin his neo Fascist activism? Why the NPD of course ;)
Most of these "Far Right" groups are directed by the intelligence community, there are some who seem to be "clean" like Golden Dawn (who aren't really "right wing" anyway, they're leftists) in Greece but in general they're fronts for other people's agendas.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 2 March 2014 3:26:54 PM
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Vladmir Putin is a nationalist and wants the best for Russia. Our Western leaders are pushing this Globalist vision of the G20 which is destroying our economies.

Nature finds strength in diversity, so how can a one world Govt run by a few private banksters give us diversity of thought, freedom and a better future ?
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 2 March 2014 6:55:02 PM
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Putin wants to improve Russia - Western leaders want the richest 1% to get richer.

America or its allies (puppets) start nearly all the conflicts.

They spent $5 Billion to destabilize Ukrainia, trouble is there puppet did not get in someone else did.

The biggest treat to world peace is the Americans.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 2 March 2014 8:48:31 PM
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Philip, I know you meant to say the the U.S. is the biggest threat to world peace. And Amen to that!

Abbott's instruction to Putin to 'Back Off' shows what a complete fool he is as he hides behind Obama!

Australia had better shut its mouth in case someone takes it seriously!
Posted by David G, Monday, 3 March 2014 7:01:04 AM
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LEST WE FORGET..all wars are bankers wars
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php

SEE ONCE YOU GO TO WAR/YOU CAN SEIZE CONTROL OF THEIR MONEY
held IN Foreign banks..steal their gold silver..oil drugs etc
[i think to recall..the iran thing is to hold control over quatrer of a trillion is oil money

ITS NOT THE WAR..BUT THAT THE GOVT BANKERS..
GET QUASI WAR POWERS OVER FOREIGN WEALTH..[IE loot pillage plunder reaL-ASSETS..CAUSE THEY SOLD/MORTGAGED..OUR GOVTS ASSETS LONG AGO
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bankersinonechunk.php

tHIS 'WAR'..LIKE ALL WARS..IS ONLY TO steal deposited wealth stored/forms/BONDS SHARES[STUFF SECRETS HELD IN 'SECURITY Boxesbanks..etc..

[i recall omce a dude held investment silver dollars in his 'storage'..box..he went to get them one day[and found some bwanker had exchanged them for fiat paper dollars/for him]

and he couldnt prove anything/[we dont know whats in your box]
the present big target is gold/..so that fort knox..can feign its stil got gold[audit the fed].[who leased all the goLD DECADES AGO/FOR 33 DOLLAR 33 CENTS PER OUNCE]..TO ITS FELLOW BANKERS[WHO ONSOLD THE REAL GOLD INTO THE MARKET

you try to sell your rented house
or your rent a car
but thats what they did with our gold/silver coper/from our coin

THEY CLEANED UP BIG TIME..huge bonus all round/
but noW..ITS TIME TO PAY THE RENT AND NOT IN YANI FIAT PAPER[RECALL THE WEIMAR/hyper inflation?..was to steal all that great gold/silver coinAGE}

BUT NOW GERMANY AMONG OTHERS..[BUT NOT US]..WANTS THE REAL GOLD BACK
AND ITS OLONG GONE..BUT BY SHORTING THEY MANAGE TO BUY BACK A TRICKLE[BUT NEED THE BIG LUMPS LIKE GADAFI/LIKE IRAN/syria/iraq/LIKE DUBIA /UKRANE/RUSSIA CHINA..ETC HAVE GOT

ITS NOT WAR THEY WANT
THE BANkERS just want your wealth
THEY WILL PRINT ALL THE FIAT PAPER THEY NEED TO DO IT

ONLY THE YANI DOLLAR HYPER INFLATING CAN save any OF US
YANI DOLLAR [BAR greenbacks]..arnt redeemable for real value[once all that quantitative easing reaps its bitter fruits...yET AGAIN FOR THE FEW

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/soyouwantawar.php
Posted by one under god, Monday, 3 March 2014 8:25:38 AM
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You now things are really bad in the West when people from the West want it to fail and for Russia to dominate. Western countries have allowed a peculiar type of self-hate that I cannot find in any non-Western state.
Posted by Aristocrat, Monday, 3 March 2014 10:58:03 AM
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Dearest OLO Neo-Russians

Putin is actually an American spy. How else could he be evil?

After all - the Soviet invasion of Hungary (1956) and Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia (1968) had nothing to do with Russia.

Death to Amerika! Aye Comrades?

Petrov
Propaganda Commissar for
Useful Idiots
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:09:35 AM
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Pete, that is a disappointing drop in the usual standard of your contributions. It is not a case of being pro-Russian or anti-American or any other non-think slogans. Yanukovich may not be anyone's ideal of a model democrat, but he was the properly elected President of Ukraine in what was regarded as a fair election.

The Ukraine has no historical links to Crimea, which until 1954 was not even part of Ukraine, and wound up being a semi-autonomous region thereof courtesy of Khrushchev.

It is also now firmly established that the coup in Kiev was orchestrated by the Americans in a manner identical to other such operations as I set out in an earlier post. We now have the unlovely sight of fascists dictating terms in Kiev, and if you have any knowledge of history you will know both their antecedents and the policies they are determined to follow. Max Blumenthal on www.alternet.org of 24 February 2014 has an enlightening article on this and related points.

We now have thew sick spectacle of Obama and his Australian lapdog calling on Russia to exercise restraint in interfering with other countries. That must take the prize for sickening hypocrisy in 2014 thus far.
Posted by James O'Neill, Monday, 3 March 2014 2:28:30 PM
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Message from boss Putin

When Russian troops point their assault rifles at Ukrainians in Ukraine ergo America is to blame.

Got it?

Petrov
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 3 March 2014 3:05:57 PM
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Ukraine’s newly minted central bank head and prime minister have said they hope to receive international financial aid soon and right now they have enough foreign currency reserves to cover their debt repayments.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said he has spoken to the US and the EU about credit and additional foreign currency.

He told reporters at a news conference at the central bank that the interim government is determined to make the reforms called for by the International Monetary Fund in return for loans: “A key priority is resuming the programme of collaboration with the International Monetary Fund. And we will fulfill all the conditions, I repeat, all the conditions, that are necessary for this loan, and Ukraine’s parliament and the coalition will vote for the laws that are necessary for receiving this money.”

IMF officials are due in Kyiv next week for talks with Ukraine’s new leaders, who have said the heavily indebted country needs at least 35 billion dollars over two years to avoid bankruptcy.

IMF’s Lagarde: Don’t panic

IMF chief Christine Lagarde said right now everyone should keep calm: “We need to rely on facts, we need to rely on the situation as it is, we do not see anything that is critical, that is worthy of panic at the moment. We would certainly hope that the (Ukrainian) authorities refrain from throwing lots of numbers which are really meaningless until they’ve been assessed properly.”

The don’t panic advice did little to reassure Ukrainians who continue to hit the cash machines, withdrawing money at a break-neck pace.

The central bank said people can take out as much as they want in the local currency – the hryvnia – which has fallen dramatically in value during the crisis.

But foreign currency withdrawals have been limited to the equivalent of $1,500 – just over 1,000 euros – per day
Posted by one under god, Monday, 3 March 2014 4:31:52 PM
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Thanks one under god

There's hope, perhaps, for a free and funded Western Ukraine.

Meanwhile Eastern Ukraine will likely revert to Ukraine's usual status of being a Russian subject territory.

On March 1, 2014 Putin received Russian parliamentary (rubber stamp) approval permitting him to deploy Russian invasion forces anywhere in Ukraine - not just Crimea.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 3 March 2014 4:45:41 PM
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And now it begins comrades:

"Russia has begun a build-up of armoured vehicles on its side of a narrow stretch of water between Russia and the Ukrainian region of Crimea, Ukrainian border guards have said...There are armoured vehicles on the other side of the strait."

"I appeal to president Putin to urgently engage in direct dialogue with the authorities in Kiev," secretary general of the UN Ban Ki-moon has said.

Meanwhile, China and Russia are in broad agreement on the situation in Ukraine, the Russian foreign ministry said after telephone talks between the countries' top diplomats."

see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-03/ukraine-crisis-russian-build-up-of-armour-near-crimea/5295802

Parroting Putin's slogans is not helping.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 3 March 2014 8:02:11 PM
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Isn't it interesting. Russia went with a market economy in fact if not in name.

They redeveloped their petroleum & gas industry, & started to get rich.

With new riches they can pay the military, & arm it with excellent weapons. Now they will want to exploit every opportunity.

Europe, with it's green power generation tomfoolery, & anti fracking policies, is now totally dependent on Russia for gas.

They can't really challenge Russia, or they will turn off the gas. Half of the UK will not be able to cook, heat their homes, & for some the lights will go out.

They would be so busy saving a huge percentage of their population, those not currently flooded, that they could not mount any sort of military action, & probably not even an adequate defense.

The same goes for many of the NATO countries.

Russia has got them by the short & curlys, & can do whatever the hell they like, without ever having to fire a shot.

While the idiot Poms, Germans & French have been going all green, & busily saving the world, sensible folk like the Russians have been busy getting things in order in the real world.

Can you imagine the Poms, raw fish & chips, & no nice cup of tea! I wonder if the yanks can get their export facilities up soon enough to supply them fracked gas, before next winter.

Perhaps they could throw those ratbag protesters in jail, & get their own fracking going. Nah, they wouldn't have the guts.

God it's almost funny, apart from the poor buggers who will die because of it.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 3 March 2014 10:10:21 PM
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Russia has Europe by the gas pipeline throat !
Russia can shut down European industry overnight by shutting down the
gas pipelines that bring Russian gas into Europe.

Have a look at this url which has a map of the pipelines.

http://tinyurl.com/mtlqa2e

Europe will find it difficult to play hard ball with Russia.
However, Europe will never forgive Putin and Russia if he does in fact
close the valves. Putin may be cunning enough to realise that if he
does close the valves that Europe may take military action to help the
Ukraine. All in all it is a very dangerous situation.
There is the economy of Europe and the risk of the first gas war if
Putin makes a wrong move.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 3 March 2014 10:13:38 PM
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It's ironic that when Russia or its greedy Allies adopt American military tactics, the Western warmongers squeal like stuck pigs and there are cries of 'Fascists' and Stalin's name is head several times.

But when the Allies use invasions and occupation to grab military and strategic advantage, the Western warmongers on OLO give a cheer and offer their services, sorry, cancel the last four words.

I'd like to see Putin annexe the whole of the Ukraine before the Allies chips bits off it, make a serious statement that the game is on and Russia won't be playing catch-up anymore!

Of course, the real blowfly in the ointment is the U.S. which is driven by impossible imperial delusions. One tactical nuke, a small to medium one, dropped in an appropriate place on the American homeland might convince the nation of crooks, carpetbaggers and thugs to play a different tune, a more conciliatory one.
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 7:13:21 AM
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It is interesting that some of the best comment is coming from unexpected sources. For example, in yesterday's Guardian on line (Australian edition) former Liberal PM Malcolm Fraser said things that the presstitutes of the mainstream media of Australia run away from.

Yesterday, Paul Craig Roberts, former deputy Secretary for the Treasury in the Reagan administration had this to say:

"Everyone needs to understand that Washington is lying about Ukraine just as Washington lied about Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, just as Washington lied about Iranian nukes, just as Washington lied about Syrian president Assad using chemical weapons, just as Washington lied about Afghanistan, Libya, NSA spying, torture. What hasn’t Washington lied about?"

If only we could have such refreshing ideas discussed in our media (outside OLO of course).
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 10:50:28 AM
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David G,

I agree with your comments in regard to American hypocrisy, it's simply amazing that representatives of the nation that invaded and devastated Iraq have the hubris to lecture the Russians.
Posted by mac, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 11:47:50 AM
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Yeah, it is amazing, the hubris of the Yanks. An unexceptional and brutal people, who love the smell of human blood, have adopted the Israeli position that they too are Children of God and whatever they think and do has Divine Imprimatur. And they are armed to the teeth with nukes!

Be very afraid my friends! The Crazies are running the world.
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 4:23:24 PM
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Yes hating 340 million American people certainly provides an aim in life for those with simple needs

:)
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 8:03:59 PM
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The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun From

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/06/looting-ukraine-begun/

According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. http://www.kommersant.ua/doc/2424454 It is Greece all over again.

Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.

The corrupt Western media describes loans as “aid.” However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kiev’s acceptance of an IMF austerity plan.
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 7 March 2014 8:44:51 PM
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