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Climate change, the ozone hole, and skin cancer - they're all connected : Comments

By Noel Wauchope, published 30/12/2013

And there's skin cancer on the increase 2 common forms, and the less common melanoma, and another nasty rare one, that is becoming less rare in Australia.

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To Brian of Buderim
First, thanks for your positive response to my article.

I was quite stunned to see the comments developing into an attack on the science of climate change. (I have lost two friends recently to "ordinary" skin cancer. I had thought that the skin cancer problem was the real message of my article)

Second, I have to commend you on your patient explaining of the "slow process of peer review".
I am heartened that you take the trouble to provide serious answers,in the light of the clearly uninformed nature of these climate denialist comments.
Posted by Noel.Wauchope, Friday, 3 January 2014 12:08:37 PM
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Brian

here are three issues you do not need peer reviewed.

1 Nasa photos of the artic in Dec 1912 and nasa photos of the artic in Dec 1913
2. Nasa photos of the Antarctic in Dec 1912 and Nasa photos of the Antarctic in Dec 1913.
3. BOM photos of the truncated 1913/14 Moonsoon.

My theory as to the cause of these extremely unusual events is that the oceans are cooling.

Now you tell me your theory as to why these three extreme events are occurring.

All three events are proved by nasa photographs.

Now Noel all I am asking is for you to explain explain how warming has caused them.

Let me tell you also that personal experience, from actually sailing in them, is that the Great Australian East Coast Current is running at about 5knots. Other sailors tell me that is their experience also. Normally it runs between 2 and 4 knots.

That current starts in the Coral Sea. Sooooo one can assume two things.
1. the warmer waters of the Coral Sea are empting faster than normal and
2. they are being replaced faster than normal by cooler waters from the southern oceans.

thereby reducing the temp in both the Coral Sea and the GAECC which in turn means cooler than normal water filling the Antarctic oceans meaning greater than normal ice floes and pack ice.

Yes I know it could be a case of the chicken or the egg. To make that decision we would need peer reviewed data. But we do not need peer reviewed data to prove the results. The photographic extremes show us that.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 3 January 2014 7:30:58 PM
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Brian,
nothing in that link you supplied peer reviews any article that links warming with human activity. That has never been done ... anywhere. It is the central flaw of AGW.

Noel that you simply claimed that climate change is warming is stupid.

You haven't evaluated all the evidence and that you simply without consideration label my very serious arguments and photographic evidence of global cooling Denialism is the height of hypocrisy.

Do you deny the photographic facts of expanding ice caps and truncated moonson activity?
If not can you explain how they are caused by global warming?

Your so superior attitude about cancer is disgraceful.

I had cancer, was supposed to die from it, survived and was always p.ssed off with halfwits who thought my cancer and the attendant horrors I faced, was about them. Which is exactly what your
narcistic attitude displays.

Shame on you.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 3 January 2014 7:44:52 PM
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Brian did you know that extremes of climate are likely to precede warming?

Brian did you know that extremes of climate are likely to precede cooling?

Yes Australia has had warmer temps in places. Please explain why many parts of Australia have had the coolest start to summer ever?

Australia is a unique climatic region. It has tremendous variation across a vast Island continent. To average out the great variations of regional temps is simplistic. That someone from the BOM is prepared to do that is quite frankly astonishing.
It is like saying because the centre is reaching record temps Australia is hot, while Hobart is in it's usual mid summer cool period. And Brisbane has seen cooler than usual average temps this summer.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 3 January 2014 8:04:18 PM
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Is it true that the earth has been warming for the last 300 years ?

Anyway it doesn't matter whether agw is true or not !
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 3 January 2014 11:27:53 PM
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Sorry nutter. but the east coast current has often averaged 5 knots, & above.

In January 1969 I sailed from Port Stephens to Broken Bay Sydney. I did not see the top side of 4 knots on the speedo the whole way, but averaged 9 knots for the trip. My log recorded just under 44% of the distance covered.

Apart from that, I agree with your argument.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 3 January 2014 11:39:43 PM
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