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Law against racial vilification steeped in Australian history : Comments

By Peter Wertheim, published 20/12/2013

Fanny Reading's case against Smith's Weekly resonated with many of the kinds of issues that provoke debate in contemporary Australia – refugee children, terrorism, conflicts in the Middle East.

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The author completed his article with a lie in the very last line;

These are the laws the present government now seeks to repeal.

My understanding is the government is to amend just one clause.
That is hardly the same and is so different that it could only be deliberately misleading.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 22 December 2013 10:47:49 AM
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Jay, by addressing himself as a Jew speaking for "the Jews" Mr Wertheim was fitting the racist model - defining people by their genetics - making him an enemy of all people including non-racist Jews. This would be true even if he hadn't indulged in racist denigration of (non-Jewish) "white" Australians. But I wasn't addressing him I was trying to address Lego's "Gish gallop". I don't sit on any fence between bad guys and good guys but firmly against bad guys. That is a stand racism cops out of, instead demanding that people close ranks with bad guys who are of the "right" race. As Mr Wertheim does, along with the voices for a "white" Australia. I'm more picky about who I close ranks with.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 22 December 2013 7:15:35 PM
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I am a racist, emperor Julian, and I take offence at your implication that there is something wrong with my belief system. You may be in breach of Section 18c of the Racial Discrimination Act if you are condemning, vilifying, prejudging, labelling and stereotyping a group of people who identify themselves as "racists." After all, what defines a Jew or a Muslim is primarily their belief system, not necessarily their race. And if it is racist to collectively criticise Jews and Muslims who are identified by their belief systems, it must therefore be racist to collectively criticise racists who are also identified by their belief system.

If you were to claim that Jews and Muslims are different because their belief system is recognised as a religion, therefore they get a free pass, I will then accuse you of Discrimination. All belief systems must be equal, according to the Socialist humanitarian worldview.

If I were to say that the Chinese are hardworking, or that the Italians have a flair for design, or that the French are sophisticated, you would not criticise me for saying nice things about them. But if I were to make negative generalisations about any ethnicities or nationalities, you would say that this is racism and absolutely wrong.

To summarise, according to your mindset, making positive generalisations about groups of people is OK but making negative generalisations is not OK.

Such a position is a double standard and it is intellectually unsupportable. No group of people is beyond collective praise or criticism
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 23 December 2013 5:30:59 AM
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Spot on Lego and you have touched the reason for the proposed amendment.
Just because you are offended by something someone said, be it true or
false should be OK, but at present you cannot say something that offends.

eg all Nazis are racial murderers.

That will offend someone who is a member of the Nazi party and they
could have you up in court as the law now stands.

Andrew Bolt got into court because he said some aborigines could choose
to be aboriginal or Caucasian and that some of them might choose the
most financially beneficial option.

That offended some with part aboriginal antecedents.
So they took him to court.

Surely that is neither fair or supportable.
That is what the proposed para 18c amendment is to fix.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 23 December 2013 7:53:09 AM
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<<at present you cannot say something that offends>>

But there does seem to be a high degree of selectivity with regard to which cry of offense is heard!

"AN Aboriginal girl who kicked a woman and called her a 'white slut' did not engage in racial vilification because the slur was common street language."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/street-language-ruled-not-vilification/story-e6frg6nf-1111112215330

I rather doubt that a non-"minority" individual would get the same degree of fawning sympathy that a certain footballer received earlier in the year.
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 23 December 2013 8:14:48 AM
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No of course not SPQR, it is just that if you are white, male over 50
then you are fair game for all the trendy lefties to have a stab at you.
Hasn't anyone realised why they cannot get male primary school teachers ?
It is all part of the same discriminatory trend ?
Then if the trendy lefties are female then duck.
I would love someone to take a poll of all primary school teachers to
see just where they stand in that spectrum.
Frankly I think they are indoctrinating the children and not just in
global warming either.

Things I have heard my grandchildren say suggest they are being
politically indoctrinated also. Nothing that you can put a hard finger onto,,, but:
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:48:14 AM
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