its funny..tony just asked

<<Do you think the Vegan Society has been hijacked by omnivores?>>

no but..i recall...the title..of this..thread
[currently..at least..on my screen..as if the latest topic..in articles]

so clearly..somehow my browser..*has been high-jacked
i..thought so many comments..and i was only at the articles page minutes ago

on..reading the posts i..confirm..its a much older topic
so..highjack..seems apt..anyhow..alllife is sacred..or not

so tell me vegans..is your food really guilt free?
did not LIVING vegetables die..so you can live?

should SLEEPING seeds be murded..just..to make a cup of soy-muck?

why do the religious..pray over their food
so much has died..just so we can..'live'

if you live..you..kill..even..if some think they dont
their sooo pure..and the murderor..is so not them..[not]

just like..the same fools..have been led to..think..debt=money

.debit..is what money is today..BUT*,,,govt is already too..big.a burden..[not a benificient good..but enslaved to bwankerrs

its not enough they TAX us to death
[thus the need to give SOME;select/elect/people 20,000..for state/council fees levies charges

NOW YOU*..WANT..URSURY.,.on top..
i got another idea

NO..GOVT FEES
no..govt tax
NO USURY

govt issues its own..money..
set according to meeting THE/peoples need..[in coin][or..CREDIT*..card

beginning..new year
here is how..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15786&page=0#274098

Most vegetarians and all but the strictest vegans eat some animal products just about every day and are none the worse for it.

Vegetarians - those who eschew meat but embrace dairy products, eggs and in some cases (though it puzzles me), fish have numerous nutritious food choices to ensure a healthy balanced diet.

Vegans on the other hand do not and I've seen first hand the detrimental effects of a vegan 'lifestyle' on young children. That is the children born to and breastfed by vegan mothers and weaned onto a vegan diet essentially lacking in sufficient proteins fats and some vitamins for infant/child nutrition. This includes significant and irreversible developmental damage - physical and mental.

Vegetarians on the whole seem reasonable balanced people who for either philosophical reasons, taste preference or food intolerance choose not to eat meat.

Vegans on the whole come across as fanatical crackpots who just can't understand why the rest of the world won't adopt their ways. Maybe it's the diet affects them this way? Whatever ...

This much I do know - vegan diet is unsuitable, even dangerous for pregnant/nursing mothers, infants or children.

Tony – yes spinach is not the best source of iron but many other plant-based sources of iron are better. You are right that animal-based iron is easier to absorb, however, as you mention, consuming vitamin C with iron-rich plant-based foods can increase absorption. Either way, many vegans easily get enough iron. Some don’t (nearly all females) – although many non-vegan females are also low in iron. Therefore, many females, vegan or not, take iron supplements to raise their iron levels.

Regarding your point ‘Do you think the Vegan Society has been hijacked by omnivores?’ Tony, no I don’t believe this, I think the organisation is giving important advice about B12. This is an important issue but not one that makes veganism unviable. As the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine point out, for vegans B12 ‘does present a genuine nutritional issue, although one that is easily solved’.

http://www.pcrm.org/pdfs/health/faq_b12.pdf

Is Mise – you write that ‘Most vegetarians and all but the strictest vegans eat some animal products just about every day and are none the worse for it’. I’m not arguing that eating small amounts of animal products is necessarily going to cause health problems, I’m arguing that we don’t need to eat a small amount of animal products to be healthy, and that eating a small amount of animal products harm animals.

Divine_msn – if a vegan diet is unsuitable for children, pregnant mothers etc, why is that not the position of The American Dietetic Association, who have no link to veganism/animal rights? Once again, their position is that:

‘Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and … appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.’

http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357

Here are some other quotes from an academic article about vegan pregnancy:

‘Sufficient energy can easily be obtained solely from plant-based foods.’

‘…sufficient iron can be obtained from a plant-based diet.’

https://theconversation.com/a-vegan-diet-can-be-as-safe-for-pregnancy-as-any-other-20640

What is your evidence that vegan diets are unsuitable for children/pregnant mothers?

There is nothing to be gained, I have discovered over the years, from arguing with fundmentalists such as vegans.

Except young earth creationists. They're fun.

Nick Pendergast, you wrote:
"Is Mise – you write that ‘Most vegetarians and all but the strictest vegans eat some animal products just about every day and are none the worse for it’. I’m not arguing that eating small amounts of animal products is necessarily going to cause health problems, I’m arguing that we don’t need to eat a small amount of animal products to be healthy, and that eating a small amount of animal products harm animals."

I don't disagree with you, I was merely pointing out that non-eaters of meat do actually consume meat product from many animals, possibly with every meal.