Let's get the basics out of the way first: Mr Badar are you an Australian or a Muslim?

I completely agree with Uthman with regard to 'arresting' these people before the leave the country to fight against the " brutally repressive Assad regime".

Far better to let them go, track their activities throughASIO (a fine use of my taxes) and then, should they associate with the brutally repressive 'alternative' regime, immediately cancel their passports.

This would be a far better process (from a 'cost/benefit' point of view).

This video was on Today Tonight and removed from their site by request from their leaders.

Fortunately it was picked by a French site, so Youtube haven’t found it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtt0ZbCUFEM&feature=player_embedded

Has anyone here looked at their web site to see what they are about?

http://www.hizb-australia.org/hizb-ut-tahrir/about-us

The work of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to carry the Islamic da'wah in order to change the situation of the corrupt society so that it is transformed into an Islamic society.

It aims to do this by firstly changing the society's existing thoughts to Islamic thoughts so that such thoughts become the public opinion among the people, who are then driven to implement and act upon them.

Secondly the Party works to change the emotions in the society until they become Islamic emotions that accept only that which pleases Allah (swt) and rebel against and detest anything which angers Allah (swt).

Finally, the Party works to change the relationships in the society until they become Islamic relationships which proceed in accordance with the laws and solutions of Islam. These actions which the Party performs are political actions, since they relate to the affairs of the people in accordance with the Shari'ah rules and solutions, and politics in Islam is looking after the affairs of the people, either in opinion or in execution or both, according to the laws and solutions of Islam.

Sydney demo: Uprising in the Muslim world 2011 [Jan 31 2011]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrWpOkqUHE

15:50 Br. Wassim Doureihi
@32.11To those who are before me today, to the Muslims in the West, to the Muslims in this country, I say to you that indeed are a part of this great ummah, let it be clear that you are not Australian, you are not British, you are not American, you are Muslim.

Those who would divide you from the body of this ummah, let it be known that our allegiance is to Islam and Islam alone. That our support is to Muslims & to Muslims alone

Let it be known that you are part of this great ummah & don’t believe anyone that will suggest otherwise

We are not an ummah which will be content at the crumbs which are thrown at us.

We are not an ummah which will be content at sharing the power.

We are not an ummah which will be content to remain in a position of subjugation.

We are not an ummah which will be confined to remain in artificial borders.

We are not an ummah which will be content with sharing the power.

We are not an ummah which will be content to accept the most vile rulers of mankind.

This is frightening

I agree SF; this Badar person is playing us like fools. He is using the great freedoms the West have to infiltrate our society and replace those freedoms with the edicts of this cult he belongs to.

Political correctness and the stupefying vanity of the left are the main tools used by the Islamists like Badar. We saw on another thread how idiots like Burnside can be twisted like a sock puppet to support the aims of the Islamists.

There is absolutely no compromise by Badar and his ilk and anytime any Muslim declares that Islam can coexist with Western values they are lying.

But the main problem are the Left and Greens who despise their own culture so much that they side with the enemy of the West, Islam.

In 10 years time, no more, given the population increase of the Muslims, we won't be talking like this. I can't see any other resolution; you either become a Muslim or you fight them.

This is the comment I posted on the original article.

Uthman – of course it’s about government position – do you honestly expect that a government should not take a position? We don’t have a Muslim army to go fight in the Muslim world Uthman – we have an Australian army that includes all.

Morally bankrupt politics of the state? Really Uthman? People are flocking to western nations to find refuge - while religious minorities in the so-called Muslim world are dying daily in Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Syria etc. Yet you represent an organisation that has annual meetings promoting the Caliphate concept and speakers who recommend strategies on how to overturn the democracy that gives refuge to so many, so that the Islamic state can be imposed. Get real; I suspect your anti-government sentiments and Caliphate ambitions undergird all that is said here.

In the context of being oppressed, how can we really compare Syria with Israel who provides refuge for persecuted Ahmadis and Christians, and equal rights to its Muslim citizens to be educated, protest, vote and be elected? Men, women and children are being massacred in Syria Uthman – the current death toll since 2011 outnumbering the death toll in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1920. Check this out and tell me those rebels responsible haven’t been ‘radicalised’. Why should Australia contribute to this carnage?
http://www.meforum.org/3676/syria-massacre-christians

It is perfectly acceptable to fight for the oppressed as Australian troops. And perfectly acceptable for the government to decide what conflicts we involve Australian troops in. Getting civilians out of Syria might be the best way to support the oppressed