No mate you are NOT advocating any sort of noble cause here at all what you are advocating is allowing Australian Muslims to go overseas and kill people, to learn the art of Jihad so that they can further your desire for a global totalitarian Islamic caliphate.
The government is doing precisely the right thing here, in fact I would suggest that they are, if anything being far too generous in allowing any Muslim men of military age the right to travel on an Australian Passport to Syria.

The fact of the matter is that your stated aim and desire for a global caliphate is profoundly at odds with our free and secular society and your cause should be denounced and condemned by anyone who is a citizen of Australia who wants our freedom to live, love and believe as we please to continue into the future.

Frankly if these young idiots are so keen to fight in Syria then let them renounce their Australian citizenship and never darken our door steps again.

I seriously doubt if we will see any input to this conversation from Uthman.

Uthman Badar, I watched the Programme on Blaspheme & I must say I agree with the Negative side. I wonder if Uthman holds the same views about Blaspheming anything to do with Christianity or Judaism. No, I would guess he would be up there with the Blasphemers of these Religions.

This is an interesting article. One, for this comes from a person who is fighting for Australia to become "The Great Southern Caliphate" (Ca = About, Lip = impudent speech, hate = self explanatory) So in translation Caliphate means, "spreading hate by word of mouth." Being an advocate of a removing the Westminster system of Government would make Uthman a "Traitor," on paper at least. (advocating the overthrow of Government) But, in Australia we have freedom of speech, so he can say what he likes, as long as he doesn't act on it. That being said, would strongly advocating Muslims to overthrow the exsisting Australian Government System & replace it with a Calaphate be considered traitorist?

Now shall we get into the article.

Badar: The crackdown has bi-partisan political support and began in 2011 with the confiscation of passports by the AFP and ASIO (a campaign shrouded in secrecy) and information campaigns seeking to discourage people from travelling to Syria.

All countries issue Travel Warnings to its citizens on travelling to areas of the World that are dangerous. It's standard. The confiscation of Passports has to do with preventing Australian citizens from committing a crime. Quite legitimate.

Personally I would encourage anyone who wants to should go & join the fight, albeit in the guise of providing Aid, should do so. Of course I would confiscate their Passports & strip them of Australian Citizenship when they arrived back in Australia, deport them. All perfectly legal under the rules of the UNCHR Declaration. No jail, contamination of Australian citizens with Islam would be undesirable.

cont.
Badar: (Incidentally, comparing media portrayal of Jews travelling to train with the IDF with that of Muslims travelling to serve in Syria can also be quite revealing.)

"Sklerk, Not same ting." As our friendly Russian Meerkat would say.

Some countries have Laws that insist that their citizens (dual) do their National Service with a legally Constituted National Army. Australia has an arrangement with those Countries.

A little aside. A guy came to Australia when he was 4, from Italy & his parents died when he was 7. He was raised by my Grandmother as another brother to my father. When he retired at 65 he decided that he would visit his birth place. He visited Italy & met his long lost relatives. When he went to return to Australia he was detained & sent to the Italian Recruit Training Centre. The Australian Government couldn't do anything about it. As he said, "I forgot every bit of Italian I ever knew & used every bit of strine I could muster, except for mealtimes." 2 weeks & they let him come home. Cheers Uncle Fred! ;-)

However, back to the article. You notice that these are duly Constituted National Armies, not a rag tag mob of disenchanted civilians fighting each other & the National Army. Therein lies the difference. It makes a big difference. It is not Double Standards.

Badar: The difference, of course, is that these rebel forces had the approval of western governments. The rebels in Syria - particularly the Islamic elements - do not.

You have answered you own question. The same goes for Afghanistan at the time of the Communist invasion. I really don't know of anyone who went but I suppose some did go to fight the Communists who were the enemies of the West at that time. I don't think the West wasn't aware of just how dangerous Islam would become, at that time.

Cont

Uthman Badar is the same gentleman who made this veiled threat against OZ:
"These laws and the surveillance tactics of ASIO and counter-terrorism police is begging for a reaction from disenfranchised Muslims. The government should be warned."
<<http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/an-act-of-terror-on-australian-soil-will-be-the-fault-of-the-government-says-muslim-cleric-uthman-badar/story-fni0cx12-1226760244883>>

Much of what he says is not new, it can be heard in practically any of the humanities lectures & tutes at many of our major universities, where Orientalism, Whiteness theory etc are rammed down the throats of impressible young undergrads --which is probably how Uthman came by it.

Uthman rather sneakily plays with liberal sentiments:
<< All right-minded people should register loud and clear objection. The target may be Muslims today, but could be anyone else tomorrow>>

But he has no love of liberalism. Should Hizb ut-Tahrir or its ilk ever gain the upper hand there will be no "anyone else".

cont

Badar: Where was Drennan in the last decade when Australian troops were deployed to the Muslim world for this very purpose?

Australian Troops were deployed to "train" the legitimate Army of the Countries they were sent to & protecting Muslims people of these Countries from Islamic fanatics. Any fighting done was in self defence & removing the Taliban from the villages

Badar: Yet the notion that Muslims who go to Syria will become "radicalised" and constitute a security threat when they return is fantastical nonsense.

If want to go then it's too late they have already been "radicalised"

Badar: It is based in the all-too-familiar Islam phobic, Orientalise narrative that sees Muslims as sub-human, somehow less civilised, unable to control themselves and hence needing the intervention of the civilised white man.

Unfortunately, Badar is right here but so are the Orientalises. Islam lost out with the takeover of the Mullahs in the 14th. Century, & have been de-evolving ever since. I also agree with Badar about Western Intervention. The West should stay out of the problem entirely. In fact, I believe, the West should return all Muslims, from the West, to the Middle East until they sort their own problem out entirely.

Badar: Why, it must be asked, are the same concerns about radicalisation and national security not raised in relation to other Australian citizens training and fighting in the armies of foreign allies.

Because these soldiers have been trained properly by a legitimate army & are not influenced by radical Idealism in the form of their Religion.

Badar: What we have here, in essence, is a base form of politics attempting, from behind the cover of law, to criminalise the loftiest of human acts: personal sacrifice to assist the oppressed.

It is not a lofty human act to fight for a terrorist organization who" purposely" sets out to murder other Muslim women & Children with suicide bombs in the name of their particular fanatical belief.

"The target may be Muslims today, but could be anyone else tomorrow."

Not really convincing is it? Yes, of course, anyone else who is an enemy of democracy and who wants to impose a primitive theocracy and destroy the civilisation that took the West 2500 years to create is a legitimate target, the rest of us infidels have no need to be concerned. Moslems should leave their toxic and violent culture behind in the ME and not use Australia as a base for imbecilic and psychopathic jihads, if they can't, or won't, the solution is obvious.

It's also not clear that the "freedom" fighters' cause is morally superior to the Assad regime.

More Moslem whining about being 'victims' (which started with Mohammed) the sense of superiority, special pleading and the implicit contempt for Australia.

Let's get the basics out of the way first: Mr Badar are you an Australian or a Muslim?

I completely agree with Uthman with regard to 'arresting' these people before the leave the country to fight against the " brutally repressive Assad regime".

Far better to let them go, track their activities throughASIO (a fine use of my taxes) and then, should they associate with the brutally repressive 'alternative' regime, immediately cancel their passports.

This would be a far better process (from a 'cost/benefit' point of view).

This video was on Today Tonight and removed from their site by request from their leaders.

Fortunately it was picked by a French site, so Youtube haven’t found it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtt0ZbCUFEM&feature=player_embedded

Has anyone here looked at their web site to see what they are about?

http://www.hizb-australia.org/hizb-ut-tahrir/about-us

The work of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to carry the Islamic da'wah in order to change the situation of the corrupt society so that it is transformed into an Islamic society.

It aims to do this by firstly changing the society's existing thoughts to Islamic thoughts so that such thoughts become the public opinion among the people, who are then driven to implement and act upon them.

Secondly the Party works to change the emotions in the society until they become Islamic emotions that accept only that which pleases Allah (swt) and rebel against and detest anything which angers Allah (swt).

Finally, the Party works to change the relationships in the society until they become Islamic relationships which proceed in accordance with the laws and solutions of Islam. These actions which the Party performs are political actions, since they relate to the affairs of the people in accordance with the Shari'ah rules and solutions, and politics in Islam is looking after the affairs of the people, either in opinion or in execution or both, according to the laws and solutions of Islam.

Sydney demo: Uprising in the Muslim world 2011 [Jan 31 2011]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrWpOkqUHE

15:50 Br. Wassim Doureihi
@32.11To those who are before me today, to the Muslims in the West, to the Muslims in this country, I say to you that indeed are a part of this great ummah, let it be clear that you are not Australian, you are not British, you are not American, you are Muslim.

Those who would divide you from the body of this ummah, let it be known that our allegiance is to Islam and Islam alone. That our support is to Muslims & to Muslims alone

Let it be known that you are part of this great ummah & don’t believe anyone that will suggest otherwise

We are not an ummah which will be content at the crumbs which are thrown at us.

We are not an ummah which will be content at sharing the power.

We are not an ummah which will be content to remain in a position of subjugation.

We are not an ummah which will be confined to remain in artificial borders.

We are not an ummah which will be content with sharing the power.

We are not an ummah which will be content to accept the most vile rulers of mankind.

This is frightening

I agree SF; this Badar person is playing us like fools. He is using the great freedoms the West have to infiltrate our society and replace those freedoms with the edicts of this cult he belongs to.

Political correctness and the stupefying vanity of the left are the main tools used by the Islamists like Badar. We saw on another thread how idiots like Burnside can be twisted like a sock puppet to support the aims of the Islamists.

There is absolutely no compromise by Badar and his ilk and anytime any Muslim declares that Islam can coexist with Western values they are lying.

But the main problem are the Left and Greens who despise their own culture so much that they side with the enemy of the West, Islam.

In 10 years time, no more, given the population increase of the Muslims, we won't be talking like this. I can't see any other resolution; you either become a Muslim or you fight them.

This is the comment I posted on the original article.

Uthman – of course it’s about government position – do you honestly expect that a government should not take a position? We don’t have a Muslim army to go fight in the Muslim world Uthman – we have an Australian army that includes all.

Morally bankrupt politics of the state? Really Uthman? People are flocking to western nations to find refuge - while religious minorities in the so-called Muslim world are dying daily in Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Syria etc. Yet you represent an organisation that has annual meetings promoting the Caliphate concept and speakers who recommend strategies on how to overturn the democracy that gives refuge to so many, so that the Islamic state can be imposed. Get real; I suspect your anti-government sentiments and Caliphate ambitions undergird all that is said here.

In the context of being oppressed, how can we really compare Syria with Israel who provides refuge for persecuted Ahmadis and Christians, and equal rights to its Muslim citizens to be educated, protest, vote and be elected? Men, women and children are being massacred in Syria Uthman – the current death toll since 2011 outnumbering the death toll in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1920. Check this out and tell me those rebels responsible haven’t been ‘radicalised’. Why should Australia contribute to this carnage?
http://www.meforum.org/3676/syria-massacre-christians

It is perfectly acceptable to fight for the oppressed as Australian troops. And perfectly acceptable for the government to decide what conflicts we involve Australian troops in. Getting civilians out of Syria might be the best way to support the oppressed

@ cohenite
I did a search and the first thing to come up in regards to this vile group was this and is worth reading.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hizb-uttahrir-australia-conference-hears-this-country-at-war-with-radical-islam/story-fni0cx12-1226762077040

A HARDLINE Islamic group has warned Muslims that the government was trying to "brainwash" their children and that they should resist any attempts to water down their strict view of Islam.

"The government is playing a dirty, dirty game," Wassim Doureihi told the 600-strong audience at the Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia conference in Lidcombe yesterday.

Hizb ut-Tahrir wants global sharia law. Yesterday in Sydney it launched a 124-page report on what it sees as Australian government attempts to divide the Muslim community into extremists and moderates.

"The fundamental objective of these policies is to change Islam, to secularise Islam, to produce a so-called 'moderate Islam': a state-sanctioned version of Islam that is secular, politically impotent and localised," it said.

Fellow speaker Soadad Doureihi warned: "This is truly a battle." He said the Australian government had "arrogantly" assumed that because Muslim youth "went to their schools and watch their TV shows" they would adopt "their values".

This is just bits check it out

Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned throughout the Middle East, South Asia, and Central Asia as well as in a few European states, so why not in this country.?

Are we stupid?

I would like to know where his funding comes from

It appears that Muslim countries do not want it.
http://almanac.afpc.org/hizb-ut-tahrir

Oh, I get it now. Uthman Badar is really DavidG.

It's strange. We haven't heard from our usual Islamic Support Group for some time. I wonder where they are?

Just an update on the good work in Syria and why it may be radicalising Australians as it is others:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1213/jihad_fundraising.php3#.Uqufqyhb7CE

This it in a nutshell;
For persons holding Australian passports to go and engage in warlike
activity in another country is a breach of Australian sovereignty.
That is why it is against the law and has been since Federation and
before that under British law.

I suspect that Badar may in fact have committed sedition by advocating that others go and fight in Syria.
The real problem with moslems is their long time practise of marrying
their cousins. This I suspect has affected their reasoning ability and
is the cause of their behaviour.
For a race of people who originally were like the rest of us, rural
peoples, this practice is surprising as farmers are well aware of inbreeding.

This crude fifth columnist has been totally exposed. But thinking of the future, somehow, we must ensure prospective Australians are totally committed to the citizen Pledge/Affirmation: "I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey."

Leslie: Citizen Pledge/Affirmation: "I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey."

Too right Leslie. If these people are found not abiding by any part of the Pledge/Affirmation then they have reneged on their Pledge/ Affirmation. Australian Citizenship then should be revoked & the people deported, including their family as Australians would not want to split a Family Unit up.

I did tell you in my all in my first Post that this Badar character wouldn't join in the conversation. I guess he as got the gist of what Australians think of him & his ilk. Strange we didn't hear from any of the usual Islamic sympathizers.