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Criminalising solidarity with Syria : Comments
By Uthman Badar, published 13/12/2013The two arrested, Amin Mohammed and Hamdi al-Qudsi, were accused of 'crimes' related to travelling to Syria to join the fight against the Assad regime.
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Posted by Iain, Friday, 13 December 2013 9:50:19 AM
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I seriously doubt if we will see any input to this conversation from Uthman.
Uthman Badar, I watched the Programme on Blaspheme & I must say I agree with the Negative side. I wonder if Uthman holds the same views about Blaspheming anything to do with Christianity or Judaism. No, I would guess he would be up there with the Blasphemers of these Religions. This is an interesting article. One, for this comes from a person who is fighting for Australia to become "The Great Southern Caliphate" (Ca = About, Lip = impudent speech, hate = self explanatory) So in translation Caliphate means, "spreading hate by word of mouth." Being an advocate of a removing the Westminster system of Government would make Uthman a "Traitor," on paper at least. (advocating the overthrow of Government) But, in Australia we have freedom of speech, so he can say what he likes, as long as he doesn't act on it. That being said, would strongly advocating Muslims to overthrow the exsisting Australian Government System & replace it with a Calaphate be considered traitorist? Now shall we get into the article. Badar: The crackdown has bi-partisan political support and began in 2011 with the confiscation of passports by the AFP and ASIO (a campaign shrouded in secrecy) and information campaigns seeking to discourage people from travelling to Syria. All countries issue Travel Warnings to its citizens on travelling to areas of the World that are dangerous. It's standard. The confiscation of Passports has to do with preventing Australian citizens from committing a crime. Quite legitimate. Personally I would encourage anyone who wants to should go & join the fight, albeit in the guise of providing Aid, should do so. Of course I would confiscate their Passports & strip them of Australian Citizenship when they arrived back in Australia, deport them. All perfectly legal under the rules of the UNCHR Declaration. No jail, contamination of Australian citizens with Islam would be undesirable. Posted by Jayb, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:10:38 AM
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Badar: (Incidentally, comparing media portrayal of Jews travelling to train with the IDF with that of Muslims travelling to serve in Syria can also be quite revealing.) "Sklerk, Not same ting." As our friendly Russian Meerkat would say. Some countries have Laws that insist that their citizens (dual) do their National Service with a legally Constituted National Army. Australia has an arrangement with those Countries. A little aside. A guy came to Australia when he was 4, from Italy & his parents died when he was 7. He was raised by my Grandmother as another brother to my father. When he retired at 65 he decided that he would visit his birth place. He visited Italy & met his long lost relatives. When he went to return to Australia he was detained & sent to the Italian Recruit Training Centre. The Australian Government couldn't do anything about it. As he said, "I forgot every bit of Italian I ever knew & used every bit of strine I could muster, except for mealtimes." 2 weeks & they let him come home. Cheers Uncle Fred! ;-) However, back to the article. You notice that these are duly Constituted National Armies, not a rag tag mob of disenchanted civilians fighting each other & the National Army. Therein lies the difference. It makes a big difference. It is not Double Standards. Badar: The difference, of course, is that these rebel forces had the approval of western governments. The rebels in Syria - particularly the Islamic elements - do not. You have answered you own question. The same goes for Afghanistan at the time of the Communist invasion. I really don't know of anyone who went but I suppose some did go to fight the Communists who were the enemies of the West at that time. I don't think the West wasn't aware of just how dangerous Islam would become, at that time. Cont Posted by Jayb, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:59:10 AM
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Uthman Badar is the same gentleman who made this veiled threat against OZ:
"These laws and the surveillance tactics of ASIO and counter-terrorism police is begging for a reaction from disenfranchised Muslims. The government should be warned." <<http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/an-act-of-terror-on-australian-soil-will-be-the-fault-of-the-government-says-muslim-cleric-uthman-badar/story-fni0cx12-1226760244883>> Much of what he says is not new, it can be heard in practically any of the humanities lectures & tutes at many of our major universities, where Orientalism, Whiteness theory etc are rammed down the throats of impressible young undergrads --which is probably how Uthman came by it. Uthman rather sneakily plays with liberal sentiments: << All right-minded people should register loud and clear objection. The target may be Muslims today, but could be anyone else tomorrow>> But he has no love of liberalism. Should Hizb ut-Tahrir or its ilk ever gain the upper hand there will be no "anyone else". Posted by SPQR, Friday, 13 December 2013 11:06:46 AM
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Badar: Where was Drennan in the last decade when Australian troops were deployed to the Muslim world for this very purpose? Australian Troops were deployed to "train" the legitimate Army of the Countries they were sent to & protecting Muslims people of these Countries from Islamic fanatics. Any fighting done was in self defence & removing the Taliban from the villages Badar: Yet the notion that Muslims who go to Syria will become "radicalised" and constitute a security threat when they return is fantastical nonsense. If want to go then it's too late they have already been "radicalised" Badar: It is based in the all-too-familiar Islam phobic, Orientalise narrative that sees Muslims as sub-human, somehow less civilised, unable to control themselves and hence needing the intervention of the civilised white man. Unfortunately, Badar is right here but so are the Orientalises. Islam lost out with the takeover of the Mullahs in the 14th. Century, & have been de-evolving ever since. I also agree with Badar about Western Intervention. The West should stay out of the problem entirely. In fact, I believe, the West should return all Muslims, from the West, to the Middle East until they sort their own problem out entirely. Badar: Why, it must be asked, are the same concerns about radicalisation and national security not raised in relation to other Australian citizens training and fighting in the armies of foreign allies. Because these soldiers have been trained properly by a legitimate army & are not influenced by radical Idealism in the form of their Religion. Badar: What we have here, in essence, is a base form of politics attempting, from behind the cover of law, to criminalise the loftiest of human acts: personal sacrifice to assist the oppressed. It is not a lofty human act to fight for a terrorist organization who" purposely" sets out to murder other Muslim women & Children with suicide bombs in the name of their particular fanatical belief. Posted by Jayb, Friday, 13 December 2013 11:20:37 AM
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"The target may be Muslims today, but could be anyone else tomorrow."
Not really convincing is it? Yes, of course, anyone else who is an enemy of democracy and who wants to impose a primitive theocracy and destroy the civilisation that took the West 2500 years to create is a legitimate target, the rest of us infidels have no need to be concerned. Moslems should leave their toxic and violent culture behind in the ME and not use Australia as a base for imbecilic and psychopathic jihads, if they can't, or won't, the solution is obvious. It's also not clear that the "freedom" fighters' cause is morally superior to the Assad regime. More Moslem whining about being 'victims' (which started with Mohammed) the sense of superiority, special pleading and the implicit contempt for Australia. Posted by mac, Friday, 13 December 2013 11:42:19 AM
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The government is doing precisely the right thing here, in fact I would suggest that they are, if anything being far too generous in allowing any Muslim men of military age the right to travel on an Australian Passport to Syria.
The fact of the matter is that your stated aim and desire for a global caliphate is profoundly at odds with our free and secular society and your cause should be denounced and condemned by anyone who is a citizen of Australia who wants our freedom to live, love and believe as we please to continue into the future.
Frankly if these young idiots are so keen to fight in Syria then let them renounce their Australian citizenship and never darken our door steps again.