"it would be a jolly good thing if the govt would be up front with Australians instead of trying to suppress all sorts of things from us."

But you're the one who claims that the government intrinsically and automatically represents the people, remember? No-one has any ground for criticising the government, because our rights and liberties are whatever the government says they are, remember? But if that is wrong, then your arguments about the minimum wage, the enforcement of policy, and global warming are all wrong.

"So we're left with a situation where obviously cooperation between Indonesia and Australia is testy and no detailed information."

But according to you, the people have no right to detailed information, because the government just knows better. Otherwise, where are all the data and codes that the skeptics have been requesting unsuccessfully for years from the government-funded warmists? Hypocrite.

"So were these people in Indonesia's territorial waters, in international waters, or in Australia's territorial waters?"

According to you, you have no right to know, remember? The government's mere decision overrides any right of yours. But if it doesn't, then what is the principle by which you distinguish legitimate from illegitimate use of government power, hypocrite?

And let's just get one thing straight. You obviously agree with shooting people in order to force them to submit to funding any and every government activity against their will, otherwise you wouldn't have tried to slime out of answering it by pretending to be indignant about lying that I had lauded rightists based on your own biased assumption.

Hypocrite. All your criticisms of the government contradict your own arguments for years.

JKJ,

Your entire post consists of a little city of strawmen.

Can't you debate without making stuff up, adorning it with various enhancements and attributing it to your opponent?

You just push your auto-play button...and the same rhetoric comes out year after year.

I'm going to take the excellent advice of Tony Lavis here:

"Whether they be lonely trolls seeking attention or jerk trolls the best treatment is not to feed them: it strengthens jerks trolls and it conditions lonely trolls in the wrong way. A lonely troll who gets fed too much - especially after midnight - can turn into a jerk troll and you can't fix them after that.

Trolls feed on attention: when you sense a troll in your midst try to give it a wide berth. If it engages you personally remain silent and avoid any form of retaliation. I know it can be hard but in this case you need to do what Jesus would do and turn the other cheek. When a troll gets hungry enough it will eventually crawl away and seek sustenance on another forum."

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P,

Labor is a bunch of hypocrites. None of them demand operational information from the police, yet are baying for minute by minute information on sensitive operational data.

The change in media strategy to talking when there is something worthwhile, rather than the talking heads of Juliar and Dudd that felt obliged to update us hourly on everything from the trivial to their bowel movements.

SM,

I'm truly amused by your spin...(the weird thing is that I once thought you possessed some substance:)

"....yet are baying for minute by minute information on sensitive operational data."

Oh yeah, I forgot....when in Opposition, Morrison and Co amused themselves by going around beating the boat drum and playing a dirty big tuba....but now...well now it's "sensitive operational data

"Which is code for "Don't ask me a question, coz I'm not going to give you an answer."

Shame his game of Admirals and Operations has fallen in a big heap.

Is there an Operational directive for wiping egg off ones' face?

http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/morrison_boat_theatrics_backfire_ZycQZsEOzdapeNjFHdVwCI

What an apt title, don't you think?

"Morrison's Boat Theatrics Backfire"

Can't wait to see it when they turn it into a musical.

: )

P,

It looks like it is really burning you up that the libs are having success in stopping the boats after 5 years of Labor failure.

"It is understood that, since September, 1151 asylum-seekers have been prevented from leaving Indonesia, Malaysia or Sri Lanka on 27 boats - almost double the 600-odd to arrive since the government began Operation Sovereign Borders on September 18."