Hasbeen and David G

Your concepts have edifying merit.

Coconuts strapped to gonads can only heighten the volume of Warmist-Denialist intercourse.

May rising seas make Rooty Hill a Riviera.

Edward I "Longrod" Plantagenet

David G and Chris Lewis

Sorry guys but there's been a major misunderstanding.. The stuff about industrial activity causing an increase in temperatures has been kicked around quite a bit, but then activists have stretched that increase into allegations that the changes (such as they are) have caused changes in storm frequency and intensity and droughts..

Those links are speculative at best. The bit about storms has also been kicked around but last I looked the consensus was that there was no discernable trend in storms. If you can find a recent, authoritative(non-activist)link to dispute that then I'll look. As part of that stretch activists tried claiming last year that there was an unusual number of storms and drought and other stuff (David G pointed to one site claiming this).. I don't think anyone took it seriously, I don't think there was an official count that said this. But was there any uptick in insurance claims? Again, I think you'll be disappointed.

As for the link between temperature changes and drought cycles this has been alleged, but whether there is anything to it has yet to be proven. Basically they have to make decent forecast from the theory and this has yet to happen.

Ah now I get it Chris Lewis.

You took a poll of all the people who can't figure the change from a bus ticket purchase with out a calculator, & tell us this is the latest truth.

Actually that would probably be about as accurate as anything from the IPCC, or UEA, & definitely more honest.

You don't have to read much of the latest IPCC garbage to be hit in the face by the dishonesty. I am sure some of you know this, but the lefty mantra that the end justifies the means eases your conscience, & of course, you KNOW you are right.

Hasbeen, don't know if I (we) are right.

But that is how it works in a democracy, or would you like to live in a society where the minority rule.

I always thought you were a democrat.

Sorry, my opinion disagrees with you.

So what we have here is every scientific body on the Planet saying AGW is real, because the Science says so.

We have every Nation on the Planet saying AGW is real, because the Science says so, the sole exception being Saudi Arabia.

We have 95-97% of CLIMATE SCIENTISTS saying the warming is caused by CO2e production

We have such left wing groups (sarcasm) as the World Bank and the IEA saying 4 degrees is probably inevitable and the change is dire (billions starving but the people that caused the problem, ie the polluting 1 Billion in the West, suffering the least)

We have the IPCC who are a group of SCIENTISTS pulling together scientific studies from more than 600 climate scientists saying AGW is real and is dangerous. With one part of their report designed as a simple document aimed at giving advice to policymakers, which every time states STOP extracting fossil fuels.

We have paleoclimatic observations (going back millions of years albeit with low temporal accuracy) backed with ice core samples going back 800,000 years (with high temporal accuracy) as hard evidence, we have 100's of years of surface temp observations, we have more than that for sea surface temp observations. We have models based on the laws of physics to give us a rough predictions of the future, models based on decades of climate physics, climate chemistry and measured readings. As much as you might dispute them (and you disputing them is backed up with NO expertise mind you, just a gut feeling on your behalf) I am going to say unless you guys want to use chicken entrails, that's as good as your going to get. We have 5 degrees being the difference between a mile of ice over Chicago and now you guys think nothing of a temperature increase. Or just turn the A/C up, as though the 10-15 degrees regional temp increases is just a balmy day ?

and the models are RIGHT... and yet you claim black is white and they're wrong ?

and such gob smacking nonsense as there is a pause in warming, when the warming is INCREASING. Where do you guys get this stuff ? because it is NOT from the Scientists. There is a "slow down" in surface temperatures warming (with the lower troposphere holding some 5% of the heat) by .01 degree over the last decade, how much more accurate do you guys want ? This is "predicted" to increase again, as it has multiple times in the past. This is all simple climate stuff, nothing hidden. There is no straight line temperature increase, there is fluctuation each month, each year, each decade with natural variability but here is a TREND and it is UP. You pick say 1998, the hottest year on record and yet the temps STILL increase from there when if there was no warming it would be cooling and yet you say there is no warming ? When every day billions of joules of extra energy of warming, by shortwave radiation being reflected back to Earth by CO2e (as measured by Satellites) and yet each decade is hotter than the last... where the increased CO2e leads to increased heat, which leads to increased water vapor, which compounds the problem.

and you guys are adamant all of this is wrong, or is a conspiracy ?

C'mon, not even the looniest of you can be that naive ? so something else is going on here... and I think THIS explains it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect