peter..<<..the ideal..the meaning/of..those events.>>

must be in..context..of the creeds..of their times

take the feeding..on/the mount
following the canna wedding/before the shew bread..

ie..the hanwash jars..
[you cant eat with..*unclean-hands]

so they were much/like a toilet
[could you serve thy..maders guests..
even..the very best of wine..FROM A TOILET?
[neither did his servants..[but the disciple..*needed to see a.."miracle"

his diciples..didnt know this LAW*..

so..WHEN..christ fed..the 4000/5000..twice..
[all*..they wished]..to eat [lol..note the clever seating,,oppisite..watching..just..to see/report..on..who would eat..

with..all..their judges
sitting opposite them
also..WITH..UNCLEAN..HANDS..

[recall..his diciples..eating shew bread
/with unclean hands..[and chist replied..its NOT..what a man puts IN..but what blasphemy..but that whichissues forth fromit..

falls out..via our smallest/member

the disciples..were too busy eating..to notice
the teaching by christ..of the DANGER of creed

yet plenty..put in..food
they saved..[its about how EVEN..the living christ..couldnt/break CREED*

mirracles creed/greed and such..<<..This meant
that Scripture..could not wander off..into a fantasy world
that was disconnected..from the real>>

unless they were tricked..
by..him who HOUNDED..the living christ..unto death..[paul/saul]

<<..and the real..could not be celebrated
at the expense..of the ideal..as is the case..in our time with scientific or economic rationalism.>>

big words
big talk..lets talk about works/perks

science reveals gods glory
science cant even make a cell-membrain
life comes ONLY..fromlife..[the best science could do..is suckout the dna..from a LIVING bacteria..toCL:AIM/faulsly..they 'creayted//that only god could create

rot-ionalism?
rat/nationalism?

<<..The New Testament..follows this ethos
most notably..in the incarnation...>>

rational?

<<..For in ..the incarnation
the Word..(idea) becomes flesh>>

ONLY..by works..SILLY

FLESH..IS NOT..THE<<(real thing).>>
its nothingbut the seen..that hides the unseen

<<.The council of Chalcedon..insisted
that Christ..had two natures,..>>as do we ALL*

<<..the divine/and the human...
(ideal and real).>>

ahhhmen..eh
meme/mene..tell..peter..
the writing..is on the wall*

lets talk

peter..<<..The elements..of the Mass
are at once bread..and wine..>>

do..you/know the booze related damage?
why turn water into..wine,..[1stmiracle?]

[did/not jesus himself say..
ITS..NOT YET..MY TIME*[in-fact..he would have said
i couldnt careless..if you fed thy*..masters guests..that filthy-toilet water..in those hand-wash/jars..its himand you that willloose face

how gooood the master..
that not feed his own guests
how much..lower..the servants go

if the drunks drunk..all the wine..
they came to the wrong guy..its just not my time
besides at that time..jesus thought..it was to/be john

<<..and..the body
and blood of Christ.>>

ohdear..thats what satanists doi too?
by..their deeds..we see paulene creed has perverted

<<..The central/event
of Christianity..is the death..and resurrection of Christ.>>

yes..what we saw jesus do..[ie return from death]
we all can do..[see the officer/wanderer pdf's]

its the reserction..ol'boy
recall..at the time..dead meant..
waiting till..some future..JUDgement..'day'
jesus refuted..that creed..by.deed..indeed/undead

alive as we speak
in our fathers house

<<The death,..an historical point>..

judgment day..is refuted..rejoice
we ALL*must be born..again

death/point..<<in time..>>

nothe next life is free of time
one long eternalday

death/point..<<is the real
and the resurrection..is the ideal.>>

its assured by christ..HIMSELF..see that ye see me do
ie reserect..you will do greater..no..judgment day

death=resection-day..no waiting
we 'die'..instanntly reborn..some into..the light
others into.. various shades of grey..according to how ashamed we are

<<..These are not separate events;
the resurrection ..is the truth..>>

ABSOLUTLY...except we ALLwill
even..ur pets..ideas..ego

resurrection..revealing all..
<<..of what..is hidden in the crucifixion...>>

death
resection

<<..One cannot exist/without the other.>>

ahhhmenn

peter..<<..In a time..dominated by..the insistence of
the real..>>..

[resection]..<<..above the ideal,..>>
[judgment dfay..when-ever you lot say..is]..

it isnt
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

<<..fostered by ..he success..of natural science,>>
see 30 years..among the dead pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

<<..the danger to us is blindness.>>

absolutly

<<..We refuse..to countenance \..the invisible
and the world..becomes a world of surfaces,..>>

appearances
never dull/boring..yet..endless

superficial;ity..<<..as wanting of ideas
as an abstract..or photo-realist painting.>>

or pictures
of electro-plasm..aura's
or the prety/perty pictures of science
to...fill in the evolving evolutionary gap/facts..
between science evolutionary/THEORY..and science/falsifiable fact

<..This is how..we can give credence
to a scientism..that reduces the world to causation.>>

lol..by imagery

how goes the LAW..re imagery?
like corpses statues..the ARISEN...christ
eternal tied to his imagery..by pauline..creed/double cross

<<..It is significant..that biblical literalism
has loomed..so large in our time.>>

but god FORBADE ALLIMAGRY
and any/all..ADULTERATION..of his words!

<<...This movement..[pauline creed]..is essentially
a result of a..realist approach to Scripture,..i.e. that all of the events described..therein actually happened.>>

ir READ..the true WITNESS
the true/gospil's..of christ..as witnessed by his works

<<..biblical literalism..is the product
of our modern failure..to hold the visible..and the invisible together.>>..

no/commment

<<>>There is a contradiction ..that runs though
much of late/modern thought...Our minds are not cameras;
as soon as we..*open our eyes>>

after removing..the plank..in our own eyes
not just..offering to remove..the splinter/from..thyne

<<>.we see things..and these things
are automatically..associated with ideas.>>

see natures/nurture
light..sustaining life
that love via logus/logic

see the life revealed
in the light..with love
under eternal grace/mrercy

thats gods idea

see the city/slum/division/derision
thats mans workings

<<..Seeing the visible
and the invisible..is central to our natures.>>

see gods nurture
even in..nature

<<..when we look at..the world
we see the handiwork..of God.>>

now..look with..thy minds eye..
see the..inner/workings of men

remind peter'

the rhyme..of the rosy
to..the primate..of the rosery

What a load of utter rubbish this article is.

There are many, many wonderful artists and art that has nothing to do with invisible beings or fairy tale gods.

One undergod..........sigh...... sometimes, words just escape me when I try to understand posts like these.

i been trying to figure things out too..suze

my latest research
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

next..the question..i hope to put
to peter..re..Mathew/28/

source=atheist/commentary
http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/dating.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/mark12d.htm

<<..Mark/gospel..was written..in an environment
where Roman rule..was a constant presence...There are many clear signs that Mark..*has gone to great lengths..to absolve Romans of the responsibility..for Jesus’ death>>

<<..even to the point of..painting Pontius Pilate..as a weak, indecisive leader..rather than the brutal tyrant..that everyone knew him to be.>>

my point..
in quoting this..is to point out
that it waz first written..by say matthew..

but..ENDING..at 28;27..

quote..
<<..[now..i have told you]>>

but also
notice..the later edit..
by same author..at 28;10..

..<<..JESUS said;,,edit
<<..go tell my brothers*..>>

GO TELL..my..BROTHERS*
[the debate was re disciples/preaching]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

now
lets examin..the OTHER word..
replacing mathews word..christ SAID..brothers

ie..the word..[disciple]
first/used in 28;12..

[IS..something..HE COULDNT..bear witness to
because..it was FIRAST used at 28;10..by the..elders..
who met up..with priests..[even then..to fake/up things..

to poison the well..
and introduce creed/diciples etc

via saul/paul/letters
creating..the pauline creed

[the word..*THEY used..was disciples..]
NOT the word..jesus used.."brothers*..[28;10]

ok?
or correct..
where..i went wrong?

Paul's theology..was based on his personal experience ..*
interpreted..in the light of contemporary Greek thought.

The theory of redemption..was the child of his brain,
a belief..entirely unknown..to the disciples of Jesus.

saul..poisons..the well

please recall..

he had just DESTROYED..the davidian/levitic? CREED..
of RESECTION day..plus judgment day
by simply..coming back from death
by this..he destroyed..two creeds

and freed many..awaiting eternity..in limbo

saul..by turning brothers
into...disciples..hung jesus..on a cross..
in his own church..drank chists blood..feasted off \..christs flesh

or as you put it
real/ideal

a true artifice
its basic karmic balance
dualism..to allow freewill/choice
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

because saul..
[paul]..[christs..mortal-enemy]..got on..with the job*

creating creed*..ideal
by creating disciples*..

WHERE clearly..christ..
only had...Brother..ie brothers*
not diciples

its no bother/brother
we need to clear..things up..soon

we need..to find..the passion..to..*FIRST
*rebuild..christs..divided church

[re-unite BY RECOGNIZING..all other..called to christ
all xtian..creed/sects..we must re-unite christs torn divided heart

appointing..all Abrahamic sects priest/teachers/
as respected equals..and their messengers/prophets..all
as saintly elders..each..retaining their own creed./.yet as equal brother

put the true servants..into churches
and the true saints..on churches..not gargoyles

Paul's theory..involved the deification..[imagery/creed]..of Jesus.

The Pauline period..in the history of the Pauline Church
saw a change of scenes..principles..and principals.

In place of brothers paul..made the disciples,
who had sat at the feet of Jesus,

a new figure, who had not known Jesus,
had come to the forefront...

The intellectuals..were under the influence of Aristotle...

Because of Paul's compromise..with Roman beliefs and legend,
Pauline followers grew in number..and grew in strength.

To the soldier prince..the different creeds
within the Jew and Hebrew were very confusing.

In AD 325,..a meeting of all denominations of Paulineism
was called at Nicea (Isnik)...Fearful massacre of Hebrews,..who did not believe in Paulineism, was held,

where it was ordered..*that all original Hebrew script..*should be destroyed,..and in the year 325 A D, this took place at the Nicene Council.

Paul,..also known as Saul,..a zealous Pharisee.

Paul was at first..an active opponent..of the Christian movement.
He took care of..the cloaks of those who stoned Stephen..(Acts 7:58, 22:20).

On his way to Damascus..to persecute Christian believers,..he was stopped..by a blinding light,..and a voice that REPORTEDLY..said, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?"

Paul asked, "who are You Lord?"
The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

In addition,..his zeal to persecute the early Christians
was re-channeled into preaching the Gospel.

Paul made three missionary
journeys around Asia Minor, Macedonia and Achaia.

He is the author of thirteen New Testament letters -
Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians,

1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.

He might have wrote Hebrews.

With the exception of Romans, all of Paul's letters
were written to churches or individuals whom he knew personally.

The focus of Paul's writings is Jesus,..
through whom SO..PAUL SAYS..God has effected..redemption

refuted at
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0
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