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God and art : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 12/9/2013

But do abstract works represent the soul, or is that mere pretension? What does Kandinsky mean by 'soul'?

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Another load of pseudo mystical hogwash from Sells. I frankly admit to giving up about halfway through, although I will comment that Ockham's razor can best be presented simply in the form that:
'the most simple or obvious explanation consistent with the known facts is the explanation most likely to be correct'
It is ironic that this medieval churchman gave rationalists one of their most devastating weapons against the sort of rubbish presented in this article.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Thursday, 12 September 2013 10:39:46 AM
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This book The World As Light also introduces Adi Da's Art
http://global.adidam.org/books/world-as-light

Some quotes from the book:

1. Reality has no "thing" in it, no "other" in it, no separate "self" in it, no ideas, no constructs of mind or perception, and, altogether, no "point of view".
2. The irreducible paradox of unobservability and unknowability is the actual real state of every one and every thing.

These paragaphs describe how seemingly objective things are constructed out of three primary geometric forms, as suggested by Cezanne. Adi Da first came across thus understanding via doing the Learning To Draw with Jon Nagy course when he was a boy. Nagy's method was inspired by Cezanne's insight.

"The force of primary geometric forms is everywhere in the world. It is simply that there are so many intersections of primary geometric forms in ordinary perceived reality that it feels as if you cannot see the primary form. It is not that that perceived reality is made out of "four circles" and "three rectangles" and "two triangles" - you cannot see the world that simplistically. But, once you begin to "get" the sense of "shape", then you can see that the world of perception is actually made of primary geometries. It is just that there are so many of them all at once that the natural world seems to have "feathered edges". The natural world does not seem to be hard-edged, in terms of geometry. In fact, the natural world is NOT visible hard edged - when the multiples are in billions, trillions, countless numbers all at once. Then the world of perception has the kind of "feathered edges" you apparently see in the natural world.

Thus, the basis of the natural world's construction is primary shape, primary geometry, elemental shape - circular, linear, angular. Everything is one of those three - curved, strictly linear, or angled. The intersection of these three modes of geometry makes virtually every shape. If you take enough triangles, squares, and circles, any form will appear. You put them together in certain conjunctions, and they will make absolutely every form".
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 12 September 2013 11:09:11 AM
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Although Sells pretends to be religious his world-view is obviously completely circumscribed or limited by the reductionist doubt-filled mind-set described in these two references.
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/nirvanasara/chapter1.html
Originally titled The Psychosis of Doubt
http://www.adidam.org/teaching/gnosticon/universal-scientism

All art whatever the seeming subject, including what is usually called religious is an auto-biographical description of the person who creates it - with NO exceptions.

These 2003 describe describe the Process that Adi Da had to go through so as to be able to create His Divine Image Art in its later and final forms.

" In the traditional setting, sacred art is understand as a Spiritual discipline, not merely a technical or a cultural endeavor in the conventional sense. There are many profound requirements - not only artistic requirements, but also requirements related to Spiritual life.
There are esoteric profundities associated with sacred art - profound training, profound readiness, a profound life that has to be lived before you ever do anything to show to anybody else.
Sacred art is not just a kind of subject matter. To be an artist in the sacred sense is a profoundly different matter than being an artist in either the secular or conventionally "religious" sense. Sacred art is not ego-art - and, therefore, it takes a lifetime of work.
I Myself have engaged a lifetime of Work, in which I have been occupied with art, as well as other aspects of the totality of what I do. And it at this point in My Life that I am prepared to make Works for showing, having done it and considered it since I was a child. So, in this respect, I am functioning very much in the mode of the traditional artist within a sacred circumstance."

Healso pointed out that even the showing of sacred art should only be done within the context of an integrated sacred culture. Otherwise what is being communicated will not be understood and thus to one degree another be degraded and banal-ized. Of course there is no such sacred culture in the Western world, nor even a living Spiritual tradition - just spirit-killing left-brained words.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 12 September 2013 11:51:38 AM
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Unlike other posters so far, I really enjoyed this article - a deft and insightful exploration of the relationship between cultural, ideological and theological aspects of realism/idealism, and their links to the roots of fundamentalisms.

Poirot
I like your drawing. I think your description of man’s conundrum – reality amidst ideas – is actually quite close to what Peter’s article is about.
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:47:18 PM
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Daffy Duck has a point about geometry and its subliminal ingestion.

Islamic art celebrates basic geometry, especially in mosque decoration in its quest to give glory to God.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2008/oct/28/islamic-art

Even in the atomic world of chemistry, it appears to be replicated - quasicrystals:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-05/atomic-mosaic-wins-chemistry-nobel/3310930

.........

Thanks Rhian...you have a point, yet art need not be aimed to the glory of God, and yet still have meaning and be pertinent to human experience.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 12 September 2013 3:22:57 PM
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where art..thou..god
in every breath..in every whisper
in..every being..all seeing/all being

peter/quote....<<..language
that is not formed..from the awareness..of the visible
..and the visible..is not language at all..but inarticulate groaning>>

yes..you told me..as/much
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0.

yet not here..where it would count
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

nor here..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0
where i already replied
*this topic..in two posts

and we each..have 8
to fully debate/relate

you said..<<.Evangelism..consists
in coaching people..to see the invisible..in the visible.>>

yes the unseen cause..of life
able to be known..by knowing living
the selfless servant..the most..[great nurture/nature/father

the mosyt..
yet..the SUSTAINING..to live..even..the least/beast

<<.The decline..of the authority..>>

origonates from secrets[see other posts]

auth/decline..<<of the church..is
the result of..the church's/failure..to do this.>>

there is yet time

<<..All..we can say..to modernity is:
there,..do you see?..Can you make*..the connection
that St. Paul makes..when he sees..that there is more..nailed to the cross...than the body of Jesus?>>..

paulwas one sickpuppy
he hopunde..the living christ..right?
then obscured his gospil..withhis owenletters/acts
that created creed..bah..saulpaul..he peed onchrist..but you fail tosee hanginng corpses..is what demons do*

they alsodrink wine
eat holy meat*

by their works..will you know/them

<<..Do you see..that Christ is..with us still
in the logic..of the triune God?>>

that trible bible stuff

peeter..think
emmanuel..what mmeans this?

GOD..with us*
not jesus..not just in..his sun

but..iN/..with-in..everyone[whois not a child of the father?

jesus taught*
paul..polluted the well..with creed

<<..Do you see..how the ideal
and the real..are held together..in Him?>>

yes..in god..ALONE*[forget the imagry rule too]
[ye will have no-one..before god..remember?}
who..holds us ALL*..together..
BY gods grace

<<..The greatest curse..that the prophet
can summon up..is that the eye.. and the ears
of an unfaithful/people..be stopped.;.so that they will no longer see nor hear.>>

often..they cant cope
withthe stuff they saw/heard

<<..Is this not..a description/of..our time?>>
no..we can finally talk direct..to..our betters

<<..Does this not explain..so much..in our culture;>>

top/down
has failed,,us all

<<..the noise..and the money,>>
<<..the blandness..and boredom>>
<<..and worse,..the absence of hope?>>

no
you shall HEAR..of warts
and rumors of wars/warts and all
then..as christ said..the good awake..to/do better
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 12 September 2013 6:56:01 PM
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