Where in Bob Carr's Lakemba Mosque statement does he state that Jews have no right to live in the West Bank? He does express concern about the legality of the settlements being built under the military occupation of the West Bank by Israel, but so have many others. He does not say that Jews have no right to live in the West Bank, or in any other place for that matter.
For Danby to say that the statement was ill-timed due to peace negotiations being held in Washington is a bit disingenuous. When aren't those Groundhog Day peace negotiations being held?
I notice that David has not criticised Tony Abbott for promising a fast visa system between Israel and Australia. Is this not a play for the Jewish vote?
Nor has David commented on Genie Energy having been granted oil exploration rights inside Syria in the occupied Golan Heights. Is this not theft of another nations's resources in the same way as the settlements are theft of land, of living space or lebensraum? But then David does pick and choose.

Jews aint Jews!

Go back to Khazaria!

Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/israeli-scientist-challenges-hypothesis-of-middle-east-origi.html

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon: Following is a very interesting and important article regarding Jews and their origin. Eran Elhaik, an Israeli young academic, proves that Ashkenazi Jews' roots lie in the Caucasus - in short, Ashkenazim have nothing to do with Palestine or the Middle East. Elhaik's scientific account fits nicely with Shlomo Sand reading of Jewish's History and origin.

'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins
Science Feud: Johns Hopkins geneticist Eran Elhaik says his research debunks the long-held theory that Jews are a single race.

Even with only a few days left before the election is held, our Singer, who is a braying, one note instrument, has to get his Jewish obsession into the political mix.

How tiresome he is! How boring! If LABOR wants to attract the Muslim vote, so what? Should they be hung, drawn and quartered for that.

LABOR has finally broken with the 'Support Israel No Matter What War Crimes They Commit' mantra that both major political parties endlessly spout.

Carr said what should be said. There is freedom of speech in Australia, isn't there, or has the Jewish Lobby whisked it away already?

The Singer is a dangerous person. His agenda must be stopped. Australia doesn't support racist agendas.

Or does it?

There are 2 problems with Mr Carr's assertion about settlements being illegal . The first is that he does not identify what he means by "settlements". The second is that there is no foundation in international law for his statement as it relates to housing developments approved by the Israeli government. Mr Carr knows this. His statement is deliberately misleading and dishonest.

MEH,

Very interesting, however, the genetic debate is best left to geneticists. Even if it could be established scientifically that modern Jews are descendants of ancestral ME populations that would still not provide an ethical justification for the Zionist occupation of Palestine. History is a record of migrations and invasions and we all have a billion ancestors e.g. modern Europeans are descendants of Neolithic migrants from Eastern Turkey, from north of the Caspian sea or perhaps their ancestors lived in caves during the Ice Age or from a dozen other origins.

Perhaps we can claim our ancestral lands in Africa?

To #halduell

1. If Carr is not propagating an anti-Jewish policy - then what is it - pro-Jewish?

Carr has not raised one word in protest at the following remark by Abbas on 29 July 2013:

"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,”

Isn't Abbas's absolutist view racist in the extreme - denying Jews any right to live in his new State?

2. Negotiations were only resumed in July after a three year void. Danby was spot on.

3. Any political party is entitled to attract the Jewish or Moslem vote.

My articles have been critical of Carr trying to fit Rudd and Labor with an anti-Jewish policy made on the run at the Lakemba mosque - with Rudd refusing to confirm it is indeed his view and Labor policy.

This confusion could have been cleared up very easily by Rudd issuing a press release confirming or denying the truth of Carr's declaration.

Rudd squibbed it.

In doing so he has lost the Jewish and Moslem votes - as the polls continue to reflect.

4. The Golan Heights was annexed by Israel in 1981. Given the massacre taking place in Syria now - that decision has proved to be prophetic.

5. The West Bank is presently under the sovereignty of no nation and Jews have every right to live there under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter - until sovereignty is determined between competing Jewish and Arab claims.

6. The Palestinian Arabs had plenty of lebensraum between 1948-1967 when all Jews living there had been kicked out by Jordan and not allowed to return. The Palestinian Arabs, Jordan and the Arab league did nothing to declare a Palestinian Arab State there during all that time.

Now they want to go back to 1967 as though nothing has happened in the last 46 years. Regrettably time has moved on - and so will they if they want to regain any part of the West Bank.

Does Singer own OLO? Could we please ration his one-eyed offerings - once a month perhaps. Then we could have articles about the interesting stuff happening is Israel, which he accuses us of ignoring. Better still, alternate David Singer with Anthony Loewenstein, for balance.

The government is governing for Australia, not for a racist enclave on the far side of the world. Carr could not make illegal settlements legal even if he was silly enough to want to. The Israeli racist lobby seems to want Australia to repudiate the law that it ratified 55 years ago [1]. Mr Singer also wants the ALP to use its electoral campaign to announce this. Julie Bishop did suggest the law ought to be repudiated, but she's not the full quid, as it is inconceivable that her party would back her up on it.

While Mr Carr reaffirmed adherence to Clause 6 of Article he did (being an honorary Yank) wrongly concede that Clause 1 of the same Article could continue to be defied.

[1] Fourth Geneva Convention Article 49(6): "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies". Every Israeli transferred to occupied territory is a breach of this clause. The weasel excuse racist lawyers offer for breaching this clause is to claim that the drafters of the Convention meant "forcible transfer". What the drafters "meant" was what they wrote, in postwar reaction to the German crime of grabbing territory and exiling or murdering the inhabitants to free Lebensraum for German settlers. Note parallel to the Nakba.

[2] Fourth Geneva Convention Article 49(1): "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive."
In this clause "forced transfer" actually means "forced transfer" as the people transferred were the people transferred out of the relevant territory, not into it. This means exiling people from occupied territory is illegal, and therefore the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was illegal and remains so. Telling those in the mosque that Israel had the right to exist, Carr rode roughshod over GC49(1) as the Yanks and all their sycophants have done to protect the Zionist acquisition of Lebensraum.

The inference that can made from David Singer's "article", is that both Moslems and Jews, or at least a significant portion of their respective communities, place more importance on the ME than domestic politics and are prepared to change their votes accordingly--isn't multi-culturalism just wonderful.

Singer wrote;

“Bob Carr's emphasis on Israeli settlements is ill timed”

I will tell you about what is ill timed, a test missile strike today into the Mediterranean Sea by a pernicious, war-mongering Israeli government.

http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

What most of us think is probably one of the most flat out stupid things to do in the current situation where world powers are sabre rattling at each other will undoubtedly make perfect sense to those addled brains of the IDF.

We have the Yank warning Assad, the Russians warning the Yanks, Assad warning everyone “The Middle East is barrel of powder and today the flames are creeping closer. It is not just a question of the Syrian response, but what else might happen after the first [Western] air strike,” , and little old Israel decides it is time to pull a “Look at me! Look at me!” stunt.

Tell me again why we give them so much support?

David Singer,

http://www.jpost.com/Features/Front-Lines/Bedouin-citizens-in-Israel-feel-betrayed-by-eviction-plan-324532

More Zionist bantustans.

Russell Walton

#Candide

Thought you might have passed away.

Still waiting for you to withdraw your use of the term "the Orthodox leeches on Israeli society."

#Emperor Julian

You miss the thrust of my article.

Carr said Rudd and the Labor Party have adopted as policy that the settlements are illegal in international law and must cease.

I am trying to confirm whether this is indeed the view of Rudd and the Labor Party or if Carr has made it up on the run at the Lakemba Mosque.

Rudd refuses to confirm it is his view and Labor Party policy.

This kind of duplicity and deception is what is losing Labor heaps of votes.

#mac aka Russell Walton

Believe it or not some people are influenced in their vote by the foreign policy that both parties adopt. That includes Christians, Buddhists and a host of other ethnic groups.

Your crass comment is really pathetic.

#csteele

Attributing a quote by Michael Danby to me indicates your inability to fully comprehend what you read.

That is being charitable. If you did it deliberately then you are beneath contempt.

#To all the Jew-hating cheer squad

A few more good things coming from Israel for you all to choke on:

1. Elbit’s Clear Vision system can land airplanes in any weather.

2. New fiber optic cable will turn Israel into the first digital nation.

3. A medication to prevent women’s ovaries being damaged during chemotherapy.

4. A new probe with two cameras that can detect cancerous polyps in the colon.

5. A derivative of an Israeli mushroom that appears to be effective against pancreatic cancer.

It is the eve of the Jewish New Year 5774. The Jews have been around for a long time and will continue to do so despite the efforts of Jew haters - like so many of you - over the centuries to exterminate them.

Pity you immerse yourselves in such jealousy and envy and ignore the benefits that are being continually brought forward for all mankind by the Jews you continually seek to demonise and delegitimize.

David Singer,

"Believe it or not some people are influenced in their vote by the foreign policy that both parties adopt. That includes Christians, Buddhists and a host of other ethnic groups."

More sophistry, you know very well that's not the point of my comment, which was that some voters are more interested in their "homelands"--spiritual, imaginary or actual, than domestic politics. Australia is a free country of course, and some of its citizens are free to treat it as a convenience while their interests are directed elsewhere.


"Pity you immerse yourselves in such jealousy and envy and ignore the benefits that are being continually brought forward for all mankind by the Jews you continually seek to demonise and delegitimize."

You've (1) combined straw man arguments and ad hominem attacks ( as usual) and (2) conflated Jews and Zionism (as usual) I think philosophers call that a "category mistake", since Zionism is an ideology. Jews, as a people, have made remarkable contributions to Western civilisation, along with the people of Renaissance Italy, the Enlightenment and most significantly, the Classical Greeks. I can't remember demonising Jews on this thread, or any other-- perhaps the vitriol wasn't directed at me.

I noticed that you, by your own admission, have abandoned any ethical defence of Zionism, and attempted the morally bankrupt ploy of claiming that we should be "grateful" for the achievements of Israeli scientists. As I, and others have indicated previously, that argument is fatally flawed.

Russell Walton.

Dear Mr Singer,

What is really 'beneath contempt' is your vilification of others on this forum as Jew haters when they are patently no such thing. Actually that is a little inaccurate I will concede as I find you and your message indubitably contemptible.

What I do find admirable are those who contribute to B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group which “has championed human rights in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for over two decades, promoting a future where all Israelis and Palestinians will live in freedom and dignity.”
http://www.btselem.org/

The salutation posted earlier today on their facebook page reads in part;

“In honor of the Jewish New Year, we wish for a year of respect for human rights, human dignity and liberty.”
https://www.facebook.com/btselem

Hear hear!

To # mac

You state:

"I noticed that you, by your own admission, have abandoned any ethical defence of Zionism, and attempted the morally bankrupt ploy of claiming that we should be "grateful" for the achievements of Israeli scientists. As I, and others have indicated previously, that argument is fatally flawed."

What " admission "are you referring to?

I have not abandoned any defence - ethical or otherwise - of the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute their national home in their ancient and biblical homeland as legally sanctioned and approved by the League of Nations and the United Nations.

You to your shame deny Jews this right. Wallow in your hate.

I don't ask you to be "grateful" for what Jews are doing in Israel for the betterment of people everywhere. I would expect there to be at least some recognition for what these Jews are achieving - which is certainly not acknowledged from you.

Hope you have the guts to turn down any such discoveries should they ever become necessary to save your life.

You certainly will be fatally floored - that is for sure.

To #csteele

Still no apology or admission from you that you have wrongly attributed a quote made by Michael Danby to me.

I stand by my comments on the Jew haters who frequent OLO under the guise of anonymity.

How far this discussion has strayed from my article - as is what occurs with each article that is published - as posters do everything but seek to discuss what I am positing.

Guess my analysis has proved connect - with the Labor Party finding out that deception and confusion brings with it a political price.

As I wrote:

"Rudd and Carr's sordid saga of deception and confusion in this and many other issues has only succeeded in turning voters away in droves."

Labor's lowest vote in 100 years is eloquent testimony to Rudd and Carr treating the Australian voting public as mindless numbskulls with their attempted policy on the run at the Lakemba Mosque -which they were never prepared to confirm.