While all this tedious nonsense is being discussed, because of religion:
- children are being sexually molested by clerics,
- gullible adults are being filled with fear,
- religious institutions and getting ever richer,
- wars are being fought and atrocities commited between the followers of different religions each one of whom claim that god is on their side,
- children are being exposed to concept like hell and eternal punishment,
- clerics are convincing members of the flock to leave bequests to their institutions saying that god will reward them,
- fraudsters are everywhere and are given free reign with no oversight, etc, etc.

Religion, which is based on claims that have no evidence, none, preys upon the gullible with no restriction.

This thread, along with all religion, should be banned.

i recall earlier..antiseptic..said..<<..based on the epistemiological approach of the scientific metho.. with one cognitive leap which is that God may be real>>,...KEY BIT HERE*<<..which is assumed to be not valid within a scientific context generally.><>

this impoprtant bit MAY*NOT..be clear..to many
[most forums claiming 'science'

have rules..rule one generally states some thing..to the affect of..""god didnt do it..saying he did..will get you banned''

i had hoped via search..to find an example

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=evolution+chat+rules+god

but found this

'There could be a God,' admits David Attenborough:
Sir David Attenborough has speculated that there may be a God – and insisted it would not be ‘inconsistent’ with the theory of evolution.

He told presenter Kirsty Young: ‘I don’t think that an understanding and an acceptance of the 4 billion-year-long history of life is in any way inconsistent with a belief of a supreme being..I am not so confident as to say that I am an atheist.*..I would prefer to say I am an agnostic.’

Three years ago, .in an interview with the Daily Mail, Sir David appeared less convinced of the existence of God...Again describing himself as agnostic rather than atheist,...he said he was a ‘little miffed’ he couldn’t come down more strongly..on one side or the other.

He then said he had no religious background..in his own life,...adding: ‘I almost wish I had one,..so I could say I rejected my parents’ faith,..but, as far as I know,..they had no religious beliefs.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093356/Evolutionist-David-Attenborough-says-God-claims-beliefs-incompatible.html#ixzz2arP2OWsr

anyhow..
what must be clear is aj's claiming to..'have had'..experiences..[lol]..un named]..he could refute..

yet refuses to name..any..
and YET INSISTS antiseptic must*..

David G.,

"This thread, along with all religion, should be banned."

Perhaps banning "humans" would be the most expedient solution to combating our nasty little ways.....

#notgonnahappen

Poirot, human nature being what it is, humans will destroy themselves in the not too distant future.

It will be a fitting fate for such miserable, cruel creatures!

David G, if you find it tedious, why did you bother to participate? Surely such an enlightened creature as yourself (presumably you're not human, given your views on my species) has better things to do?

Or is it just that you feel a bit left out and you're looking for affirmation of your worth from somebody?

If so, then you'll be gratified to have received this response and now you can feel better about yourself, as can I for having made it.

Isn't reciprocity great?

Poirot, I'm a little concerned about you. I've read a couple of your recent posts and you seem to be a lot more negative than usual. Are you OK? Nil carborundum illegitimatum, my friend. On the whole people aren't that bad, but neither are we all that good. We're all just muddling through as best we can.

AJ Phillips, we seem to have become wedged into some kind of corner. Any desire to find a way out, or is it backs to the wall and kick like hell till the bell rings?

david..i have naught but..respect for you
both your age..and your wisdom..thus respect your rage

but cant you see..that many did that they did..of good intention
i will admit..THAT MANY perhaps..DID NOT..but their acts..were the acts of men/mankind..god didnt hurt you..nor decree you and others 'be hurt'

the hurt comes via mens institutions..via creed dominating meeting need

that of the baser huh?man..beast..trying to be teaching the higher things..without the comprehension..as their bad work's reveal.

your wise..thus must KNOW*..that energy cant be created..nor destroyed
you must have heard of dying people loosing a few grams of 'weight'..at the time of mortal passing..[crossing over]..

further..that this mass represents energy..[in its changed state]..to wit the soul..and gods life sustaining spirit..[the soul is our id/the sum total..of our works/loves hates and passions..the essential essence of the human we were being.

you cannot be cast into hell..for deny-ing god
its likely..that soonish..you will upon..'dying'..emerge into..a realm..described as late after-noon overcast..

many live here blissfully unaware they have physically 'died'
you will finmd all there feel as you do..you may even feel you are not de-ceased..[you arnt being punished..and few will even bother you[that you chose to hold..is as much 'you'...as that you discard so lightly[gods infinite loving good/grace/mercy..etc]

wasnt god,..but us your fellow travelers
also..travailing through the teaching's of these material realms

we each are 'here'..now..by default
cause we wernt passionate enough for true heaven..or true hell

please note the area..where you are at..when you dream
in time you will know..this here was 'the dream'..

[please note my pasions will take me..to a lowerer place
nearer the darkness]..you however will surely be so close to the lower-heavens..where your good works have earned you to be..

it will only be your rejection of god
that keeps you in the twilight areas

god loves you..its men who hurt you
if i have i am sorry..but im only huh?man 2