CHERFUL, "who are opposed to opening family planning clinics in
third world countries"

Not disagreeing however it is the abortion ban that does the greatest damage. Family planning and sex education cannot operate where abortion cannot even be mentioned. For example, 'backyard' abortions are in the top three causes of premature death for women in developing countries.

I try to ensure those with this "People migrate, get over it" attitude to at least squarely face their countrymen with that being their position. The sad thing is they hold that same apathy towards the migrants too, failing to advocate a path that will see them here safely and without being exploited. That is, unfettered arrival by air, yielding up of our borders with no annual or overall limit to population growth by such immigration.

Why this unwillingness? Cowardice, afraid to risk their remaining political clout so they can continue blinding our youth with emotion, and to hell with their countrymen and the immigrants.

Truth is parried by false umbrage, the refuge of scoundrels. I say where I stand and I'll not be lectured on etiquette by those too dishonest to do likewise.

Now, to the LNP's latest, can anyone explain how upping the number of detention places in Nauru is a bigger deterrent to boats than settlement in PNG?

CHERFUL & On-the-beach,

Yes, and I've heard that some refugees come from cultures which balance their boiled eggs on the pointy end ! Horrors !

Regardless of who they may be, all genuine refugees are equally entitled, or should be, to wait their turn and come to Australia when their number comes up. I don't think there would be any group of genuine refugees who have plotted and planned to deviously enter Australia just so that they can destroy our way of life.

One thing, surely, about refugees, is that they are not organised groups, they are individuals each with their own particular story, and reasons for wanting to flee from their homeland. The poor buggers just want a chance at a life free of persecution, harassment, imminent death or incarceration.

30,000 per year - surely we can manage that ?

But Lexi, I don't mean that they should be flown 'home' to persecution and possible death - no, to be flown back to Indonesia from which they have set out. By definition, refugees should never be flown back to their home countries, that's precisely their dilemma.

Joe

Seeing "Go Back Where You Came From " again reminds me how important it is not to forget those people who can't afford to push their way to the front to get here.

The answer lies in stopping boats (with their collateral deaths) and upping our annual intake of refugees SIGNIFICANTLY from around the world (while raising our total immigration cap by the same amount).

I am sure we could get agreement on all but the mode of stopping boats.

Abbott was looking at offshore settlement a couple of year back when he discussed with Nauru (I recall) the possibility of it joining the UN refugee convention. Why can't we get bipartisan support on offshore settlement to stop the boats now that Labor has jettisoned the Malaysian solution for something that should clear the High Court? Abbott expected this over Nauru if he'd proceeded but rather adopted his doomed tow-back policy.

Offshore detention isn't working (surprise)and TPV's for the length of time it will take for conflict resolution in refugee source countries are not sustainable, even if you believe they worked.

The LNP has withdrawn from its initial support of the PNG solution to differentiate its brand coming into the election. I think Labor will bring parliament back to sit on the issue, forcing the LNP's hand. If it does not vote with Labor it can hardly adopt offshore resettlement after the election should it win, leaving us with its back to the future Pacific solution to fail us.

The LNP is merely trying to match Labor's "Check".

This latest offshore free-for-all is orchestrated purely and simply for electoral advantage - by both sides.

True to form, the trip to Nauru of Morrison and a News Limited journalist and photographer was funded by a logistics company and tent supplier set to make a profit from the camp.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalitions-tent-city-trip-funded-by-logistics-company-that-provides-tents-20130730-2qws3.html

I'll just add that I make no apologies for merely being content to observe the tit-for-tat political shenanigans unfolding over this issue.

This thread was posted ostensibly on the political impact of refugee-related political exigences, Labor's in particular.

In the present climate of political buffoonery, it's difficult to form an accurate assessment of the refugee issue. One is forever trying to separate the hype and hysteria from the realities. My declining to post a detailed treatise on how many refugees our country should or shouldn't resettled does not make me a coward, dishonest - or one seeking refuge in false umbrage.

Poriot and Luciferase sound like two dodgy taxi divers.
Poriot doesn't know how to use the brake, and is proud of it
And Luciferase is easily spooked by coloured lights and noise, and is liable to make a u turn at any moment.
God help anyone who has either of them as a driver!