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Through the rose-coloured looking glass : Comments

By Sonia Bowditch, published 9/7/2013

But to include Gillard in the same company as these former PMs, who were loved by 'protective, adoring mothers', is unjustified.

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"Gillard was a prolific policy maker, 'responsible for legislating at the rate of 0.495 acts per day'."

Well, obviously that makes her a great leader, because one thing this country desperately needs is more legislation. (Why, you can almost read through the Tax Acts in a year, if you put your mind to it!)

Seriously, if Gillard had repealed 0.495 Acts per day she would have achieved much more and deserved genuine respect. Hustling us towards a nanny state governed by half-baked ideologies is -- thank goodness -- not the way to Australia's heart.
Posted by Jon J, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 9:08:02 AM
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Liberal talking points.
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 10:11:30 AM
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"But 'what makes Julia Gillard's heart swell most,' notes Summers, 'is what she has done for working women.'"

Had affairs with their husbands perhaps.

Summers is pathetic; she is like Baird who writes this badly incorrect drivel about Gillard:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/julia_baird_fools_the_new_york_times_about_the_misgoynists_who_destroyed_gi/#commentsmore

The feministas just don't get it; Gillard's demise was nothing to do with gender or misogyny but everything to do with Gillard's manifest failings. Her demise was also done by her own party and specifically by those 2 giants, Rudd and Shorten.

I wonder how Summers will react if Gillard faces criminal charges?
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 2:06:41 PM
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Hello cohenite,

It's always good to read things from another
perspective than the usual media spin:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/how-the-pms-gender-took-over-the-agenda-20130624-2oson.html
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 2:48:31 PM
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I'd forgotten about Lake, another misandrist in the Summers and Gillard mould, although I have my doubt about Gillard being a genuine misandrist and instead just being a user of men in the Joan Crawford manner.

In any event Lake's article is tripe; Gillard could have revolutionised Australian politics but instead all her defects of character and political ability were revealed.

Personally speaking many of my most admired politicians are women: Thatcher, Bishop, Palin and poor Bhutto.

Speaking of Bhutto if you're so concerned about misogyny why don't you rail against islam? Those chauvinists really know how to oppress a woman.
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 4:43:47 PM
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Obviously Summers and the sisterhood should demonstrate how pissed off they are by voting against Rudd in the coming election. Of course, that would probably result in an Abbott victory, with a deleterious effect on their grants and their privileges and their funding -- but hey, what's a little personal sacrifice when weighed against the chance to demonstrate one's deep personal convictions?
Posted by Jon J, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 5:07:25 PM
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Anne Summers should know a thing or two about misogyny, as she has had so much of it levelled at herself.
Posted by Killarney, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 7:56:06 PM
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Cohenite <"But 'what makes Julia Gillard's heart swell most,' notes Summers, 'is what she has done for working women.'"
Had affairs with their husbands perhaps "

What a dreadful thing to say.
Can you prove that statement?
You have provided proof about the s##t Gillard had to put up with...
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 1:40:56 AM
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"What a dreadful thing to say.
Can you prove that statement?"

Terrible, I'm so ashamed of myself; Wilson, Emerson and Mathieson were all married men.

Have I missed anyone?
Posted by cohenite, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:51:51 AM
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"What a dreadful thing to say.
Can you prove that statement?"
Suseonline,
Can YOU prove that this was a dreadful thing to say ? I think it way more dreadful what that female did to us & our future. Why, she even got as low as getting Rudd back, now that is dreadful.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 7:54:16 PM
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On Anne Summers and friends,

http://pickeringpost.com/article/summers-winter-of-discontent/866
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 8:58:24 PM
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On Larry Pickering:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/larry-pickering-the-conman-stalking-gillard-20120820-24hxi.html

"Larry Pickering is commonly known as a cartoonist,
but he's also an inveterate liar, a conman with a
seedy history of fleecing the gullible of millions
of dollars while not paying his own bills..."

And the list goes on. Basically Mr Pickering -
a notorious fraudster, con-man, former Liberal
candidate, is not a nice man.

Referring us to a link from Pickering's disgusting
blog is really
scraping the bottom of the barrel and lowering the bar
on this discussion.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:05:51 PM
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Lexi,
I have no knowledge of Pickering's business ventures but to fail in business whilst an ALP Government is in power is not a failure at all. It is a well recorded fact that ALP Governments ruin businesses which are not dedicated to bludge off Government schemes. What you don't understand as a public servant that running a business requires Government encouragement instead of interference to the tune of sending businesses broke. ALP Governments do that on top of sending the whole country broke religiously. The only people benefiting from an ALP Government are the hangers-on. The true performers are haunted till they can no longer go on. That Lexi, is what ALP Governments are all about. Fleecing the performer & spoiling the useless i.e. the likes of themselves. To state that you prefer the ALP is an open admission that you're of very poor character & integrity.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 11 July 2013 7:25:11 AM
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Individual,

Before you post you should actually do your research
on Larry Pickering. He is not a nice man. He is a
inveterate liar, a conman with a seedy history of
fleecing the gullible of millions of dollars.
These are facts that are available on the web
- and all you have to do is Google them.

BTW: As for your lame attempts at personal insults.
For you to insult me, I must
first value your opinion
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 11 July 2013 10:19:06 AM
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Lexi,
You really need to curb the constant over-estimating of your intelligence & mentality. It'll lessen the shock should you by some chance see the light one day.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 11 July 2013 10:19:46 PM
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individual,

You are the one who's constantly referring to
the intelligence of others in a derogatory manner,
post after post on various discussions.
I would normally not even bother reading your posts
or responding to them except for the fact that you
directed personal insults at me based on my supposed
political views.

Take heed of these adages:

"I learned that very often the most intolerant and
narrowe-minded people are the ones who congratulate
themselves on their tolerance and open-mindedness."
(Christopher Hitchens).

And -

"It is a narrow-mind which cannot look at a subject from
various points of view."
(Albert Einstein).
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 12 July 2013 10:14:19 AM
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Lexi,
I can see what the ALP has done to this country, you can't. So who has the lesser i.e. narrower view ?
Or, do you really believe we're in such great shape that we can afford the frivolity (K Rudd&Co) back ? In that case a narrow view will suffice.
Posted by individual, Friday, 12 July 2013 10:45:13 AM
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individual,

I certainly can see what the ALP has done for this country.
I've lived under both Liberal governments and Labor here
in Victoria and I know which I prefer and under which
my family was better off.

You are entitled to you own opinion of course.
But not to your own facts.

See you on another discussion.
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 12 July 2013 12:00:18 PM
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under which my family was better off.
Lexi,
Well, you're not exactly productively employed in a library are you. You should spare a thought for those who worked & worked & worked & got fleeced even more under the ALP.
Their only revenue is from taxes & fees & permits & licenses increases to keep their backbone which is the public service. Speak with people who really do it tough under ALP Government, people who are called workers & business people who employ workers. How many workers does the Government employ ? None, only bureaucrats.
Posted by individual, Friday, 12 July 2013 8:02:34 PM
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individual,

A few clarifications.

Under the Liberal government in Victoria (Jeff Kennett)
harsh cuts were made on infrstructure, maintenance and
construction of hospitals, schools, transport, roads,
you name it. Libraries were not only cut back in funding,
but CEOs were appointed to oversee them
at ridiculously huge salary
and benefit packages ("Jobs of the boys") - who had no
experience or training in the field. Mental institutions
were shut down and sold off to developers, setting
thousands of handicapped and mentally impaired people
into the general community with no adequate care.

My husband who worked in the building, construction industry
and was involved with many of the major hospitals in the
state can vouch for what happened under the Liberals during
that period.

The damage caused by the Liberal governments has to be repaired
at double the expense by the susequent Labor governments
to maintain the equilibrium of the nation.
If the Liberals did not cause the damage with their ridiculous
harsh cuts, Labor would not have to spend that much to
repair the harm done.

We already have as examples in recently elected Coalition
government run states (Queensland, NSW, and Victoria) the
direction of cuts that the Liberal governments are taking
and the harm this is causing.

So don't tell me how great the Libs are - when experience
points to the contrary. Bureaucrats exist under all
governments - somebody has to shuffle the paperwork
whether the government is achieving or the government
is destroying. The difference being - under Labor -
jobs are created to keep the economy moving - as we saw
during the global financial crisis.

An interesting example is the Hume Highway - Albury to
Sydney. Under Liberals the work stops. Under Labor the
work progresses. Lets hope they'll finish it one day.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:32:31 AM
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Lexi,

These sort of discussions always take me back to the late seventies in WA when the incoming Liberal government decided ot close the Perth to Fremantle rail line. I wasn't living in Perth at the time, but I remember thinking it was an amazing decision. This rail line had been integral to lives on the Western side of the city.

When Labor came storming back in the next election, they not ony re-opened the line, but set about with a visionary upgrade to rail infrastructure. They electrified the whole rail system, constructed a new line north to Joondalup,,,and then constructed a new line South to Manjurah. It was an immense undertaking, and now in the 21st century, Perth and surrounds has one of the best and most advanced rail systems in the country.

individual, that's the difference between Labor on infrastructure and Liberals.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:45:16 AM
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Of course, that should be "Mandurah"

This line has included sinking the rail line in the city - construction of below ground infrastructure still continuing for junction in the CBD. Now under Liberal auspices, but started by Labor vision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandurah_railway_line
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:49:21 AM
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cont'd ...

individual,

I've just re-read your earlier post and again noted
your attempted insult directed at me about not
being "productively
employed in a library." I am obliged to respond to that
remark.

Libraries form a vital part of the world's system of
education and information storage and retrieval.
They make available - through books, films,
recordings, and other media - knowledge that has been
accumulated through the ages. People in all walks of life
including students, teachers, business executives,
professionals,
government officials, scholars, tradesmen, scientists
and the general public, all use library resources in their
work. Large numbers of people also turn to libraries to
satisfy a desire for knowledge or to obtain material for
some kind of leisure-time activity. In addition, many
people enjoy book discussions, film shows, lectures,
story-time sessions, and other activities that are provided
by their local library.

Libraries also play an important role in preserving a
society's cultural heritage. For example, some libraries
have special collections of such items as rare books,
authors' or composers' original manuscripts, or works
by local artists. In addition, the librarians in many
libraries develop exhibitions and offer programmes
to help people learn about their own community or
about the culture of other civilisations.

All in all, the library ranks as one of society's
most useful service institutions.

Perhaps to broaden your own education - you should
actually visit a library. You may learn
something.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:58:19 AM
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Lexi,
of course you'd say all that, you have no alternative until such time that decency & common sense return. Many projects such as the ones you refer to have halted because union (ALP) demands out-priced & out-sourced the industry. ALP Governments are good at startin g things but alway go broke prematurely due to incompetence.
ALP supporters here constantly demand Abbott to star some policies. Get Rudd to tell Australia how much his Government will have in the coffers for Abbott to start off with & I'm sure Abbott will disclose some policies once it is known they can be funded.
Ask Rudd how much is in the coffers now ! I'm sure you'll dig up one of your links on that.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 13 July 2013 12:57:29 PM
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individual,

Clearly Mr Abbott and the Coalition prefer not to discuss
policies or debate but to continue to take pot shots
at the PM. That's all they've got - and they're now
in a panic.

And yes there are plenty of links on the web to that
effect. Here's just one:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/rudds-return-ruffles-reckless-abbott/

Enjoy.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 13 July 2013 1:48:27 PM
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Lexi,
I can't see where it says how much funding there's for the next Government. Anyhow, it is absolutely astounding how much effort & funding goes into denouncing Abbott when there's so much need out there for Australians who btw get less than the asylum seekers.
Are the ALP supporters so extreme that they even forfeit a possible better life for many Australians just so as not to let Abbott in ? there's something sick in that !
I only hope Australians vote with their conscience rather than for a short-term Superannuation boost for those who let them down so badly.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 13 July 2013 2:31:11 PM
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individual,

Suddenly Mr Abbott faces an opponent far more
popular than himself. The opposition leader's assured
run to election victory has been radically challenged.
Mr Rudd is turning the fear campaign against Mr Abbott.
And he has the people's attention.
Mr Rudd is portraying himself as the face of re-assurance
and Mr Abbott as a risk.
Judging by recent polls - Mr Rudd appears to be succeeding.
It should be an interesting election in September.

Cheers.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 13 July 2013 5:21:51 PM
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Lexi,
Stop stalling, how much is in the coffers ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 14 July 2013 9:47:59 AM
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Lexi, "Mr Rudd is portraying himself as the face of re-assurance"

The media are desperate for cheap sensationalism and Kevin13 has obliged.

He is still "Rudd the Dud" who was found by his own party to be unelectable in 2008-10.

Even the windmill armed, motormouth Kevin13 cannot keep the media supplied with headlines. While the Left stalwarts who are on guvvy benefits savour and applaud the media's acceptance of Rudd's media releases and media circus, the same Left will be gnashing their teeth as the media runs out of Kevin13 events and goes searching for stories.

Today, Gillard's side kicks the treacherous Greens are having a chop at Kevin13 as a fake on climate,

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/rudd-is-a-fake-on-climate-say-greens/story-e6frfku9-1226679116391

and Kevin13's sister is in the news questionning his recent conversion to gay marriage. She has quit the Labor Party and there is a strong lielihood others will too,

<Kevin Rudd's sister has quit the Australian Labor Party, saying she cannot back a party that supports "homosexuals marrying".

Loree Rudd, 61, said she sent the letter to her Nambour branch last week after a policy shift at the ALP National Conference on December 3.

Delegates voted to change the party policy from opposing to supporting gay marriage, with Labor MPs and senators granted a conscience vote when a bill is considered in parliament.

"I knew I didn't want to stay in a party if that was their stand," she said.

"It's not something I believe in and it's also the way it happened that I dislike.

"I no longer liked the direction the Labor Party was going at state or federal level and I couldn't work for a party that had endorsed homosexuals marrying."
..
Ms Rudd said when she entered a polling booth at the next federal election, she would not vote for Labor unless the party had changed its policy on gay marriage.

She would look at other candidates, including those from Katter's Australian Party, and would make her decision based on the integrity of the candidate.>

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/kevin-rudds-sister-quits-labor-over-gay-marriage-policy-20111213-1os44.html
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:07:59 AM
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onthebeach,

Same-sex marriage like abortion
is a highly emotive issue for many people.
However according to the polls most Australians
(64 percent) are in favour of same-sex marriage.
A Referendum or a conscience vote would be the
fair way to go.

As for Mr Rudd? He appears to be succeeding in the
polls and the Liberal Party is becoming increasingly
nervous as Mr Abbott's popularity slides.
I can't help but wonder how long will it be before
he's replaced as leader?

Dear individual,

I'm not stalling and you've got two choices.
Do your own research - and Google the subject
yourself or accept the best answer you're
forcing me to give you
as a famous economist, highly respected
globally, and having contacts in the Treasury,
my answer would be - $1.5 trillion.

Frankly - if I were you I'd Google the subject.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australia-is-not-an-economic-basket-case/
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 14 July 2013 1:25:40 PM
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Lexi,
Ok thanks for that. I'll google how much Howard left for Rudd & how much Rudd is leaving for Abbott.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 14 July 2013 6:12:51 PM
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individual,

Economic experts tell us that:

"Mr Howard left a surplus of 4% of GDP when it left
office. Indeed the Howard government did achieve a series
of surplus budgets. That is not very difficult in a time
of strong economic growth which delivered very high
tax revenues. But the Howard government also left
Australia with significant liabilities in terms of our
physical and intangible assets - our common wealth."

"It neglected our surface transport - our interstate roads,
railroads, urban public transport, starved our tertiary
education sector of funds, neglected investments which
could help us cope with the challenges of water
shortages, climate change and fossil fuel depletion."

"In short, it let fiscal impression management displace
sound economic management and directed political
attention to only one side of the public balance sheet -
the debt side while ignoring the asset side."

"If the Howard cabinet had been the board of a publicly
listed company, shareholders would have thrown them out
for weakening the company's asset base."

As for Mr Abbott? Is is possible to cut company tax,
cut the carbon tax, pay out for defence, take "direct
action" on climate change, create 2 million jobs,
and still balance the budget? Promises, promises,
yet Abbott and his colleagues still refuse to
reveal any details or costings.

Maybe Abbott can promise us a car in every garage as well!
All we have to do is vote for him - right?

Good Luck with that!
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 15 July 2013 10:40:37 AM
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