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Maybe the ADF needs to recover a sense of chivalry : Comments

By Mike Bird, published 19/6/2013

The sexual culture of the Australian Defence Force needs fixing. Recovering a sense of chivalry can repair it.

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Could it be that one way to restore a sense of honor and purpose in the ADF would be to stop using them as enforcers in America's crusade toward world domination?
Sending young soldiers on night raids does nothing to enhance their sense of self-worth. Ditto for employing them in black sites as interrogators.
The ADF is itself being abused. Small wonder that its individual members abuse.
Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 9:59:11 AM
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"Soldier this, and soldier that, and chuck him out, the brute
But its "saviour of the country" when the guns begin to shoot."

What is this compulsive need by people like Mike Bird to be moral puritans and wag their fingers at everybody else?

Soldiers kill people, Mike Bird, and they take casualties doing it. Most men do not want to be soldiers, and those men who do like soldiering, who don't mind getting shot at, and do not turn into psychiatric cases after killing somebody, are a special breed. Perhaps it is you who should be consulting a behavioural psychologist to try and understand how such men think? Judging societies trained killers with attitudes more appropriate to judging child care workers is potty.

The Australian Army could even learn something in that regard from the French Army. The French Army does not even bother recording minor military transgressions by its soldiers. The French Army knows that soldiers are soldiers, and it expects soldiers to get into trouble.

I find your attitude incredible. It is OK to kill people on orders, but you must not harbour sexist thoughts.

This equates to the policy during WW2, where bomber pilots were ordered to remove lurid "girlie" murals on th3 side of their bombers. Dropping bombs on cities full of mainly women and kids was OK, but let's remove the dirty pictures from the mass killing machines. Then there was the Wehrmacht's problem. The German Nazi Party ordered that soldiers under 18 could not have cigarettes in their ration packs, because they were too young to smoke. So they supplied their young killers ration packs with lollies.

Throughout history, the greatest military defeats have occurred where those that ordered soldiers around forgot all about practical military necessity, and became more interested in the military opinions of priests, shamans, astrologers, feminists, and political officers. It seems as if the Australian army is now being "re educated" by political commissars (harassment officers?) like Mike Bird to accept that females have a place on the front line.

Continued.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 10:32:32 AM
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The last idiot army to do something that stupid was the Chinese Army, which was became so obsessed with the notion of human Equality that it removed all badges of rank. This leaderless rabble, with no visible chain of command, which marched into Vietnam "to teach the Vietnamese a lesson." But it was the conventionally organised Vietnamese army taught the Chinese a lesson about political correctness.

If we are having trouble in the barracks mixing soldiers and women, could I be so bold as to tell you to get the women out of the barracks? This stupid notion of mixing soldiers and women has acheived nothing but endless lurid news stories which would seem to support my premise. Even the Navy is not immune. We put young men and youing women in very close proximity tom one another on a confined vessel for long periods out at sea, and we wonder why the boys keep trying to screw the girls?

Killing people is secret men's business and outside of a genocidal war, women have absolutely no place on the line in a professional army or Navy. If the sort of men who will kill other humans on our behalf have sexist thoughts, well that's just too bad.

Anyone who thinks differently, well, lets put it to the test. The next time that there is a real knock down, drag out war, let us make sure that a battalion composed entirely of females goes into action against an enemy battalion composed entirely of females. Women do not kill women. It is almost unheard of even in criminal murder cases for a female to kill another female.

In a situation where two battalions of women started shooting at each other, the first woman hit would scream and all of the women on both sides would immediately drop everything and run over to help her. All of the women would suffer trauma and anguish, and they would then start agreeing among themselves that it was the fault of men that they had been put in such a position where women were hurting women.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 10:35:28 AM
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"In a situation where two battalions of women started shooting at each other, the first woman hit would scream and all of the women on both sides would immediately drop everything and run over to help her."

and you base this on what evidence? there are a number of wars going on right now where women on on the front line, so there is a wealth of actual evidense to draw upon.
Posted by Kenny, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 12:47:38 PM
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Chivalry for heavens sake! Lovely concept, & great in fairy stories, but there never was a round table, except in myth.

From my reading of the times of chivalry, being a citizen of a conquered or surrendered city was a pretty dangerous thing.

More women were raped by nights in shining armor, than were saved by them. The real difference was what happened next. Evidently today you photograph the action, & put it on the net. In days of yore once finished, you ran her through with your sword. I guess with no effective contraception back then, this avoided future complication.

From what I'm told there is a great deal of consensually taped amateur sex all over the net. How do they know the perpetrators are army types, I doubt they were wearing a uniform, or is there a site for army sex alone?

Talking about uniforms, how long do you reckon it took one of those nights to get out of his shining armor to be ready for the rape part of rape & pillage, & do you think he had to have a page boy to help.

Oh & which part of the ordeal would have been the most degrading, the rape, the page boy watching, or being run through with the sward afterwards? I would think the latter, but then, what the hell would I know.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 1:30:21 PM
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Lego, all too true. And this Lecturer in Theology should be reminded how priests , parsons, imams, etc , often worshipping the same god, through the ages, have exhorted soldiers in both trenches to kill the others.
Posted by Leslie, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 1:45:34 PM
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