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By Bill Calcutt, published 27/5/2013If a primary goal of the attack was to generate intense global coverage, galvanise public horror and catalyse a state reaction, then it appears to have been effective.
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Posted by OZSHRINK, Monday, 27 May 2013 10:12:40 AM
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Those guys were pathetic. They had plenty of time to complete the severing of the soldiers head and then they could have paraded around for twenty minutes holding it up by the hair with gore dripping out of the neck. That would have really woken people up to just what a bunch of blood-thirsty barbarians civilized nations are having to deal with.
Instead, within hours there were people on tv telling the compliant citizens that it was their own fault these hard-done-by young fellas had been forced into an act of justifiable revenge. At least in Syria they are muslims killing muslims. Pommies can't be blamed for that....yet. Posted by citizen, Monday, 27 May 2013 2:39:47 PM
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OZSHRINK makes an important point, these kinds of atrocities are far from unusual in Islamic societies. Attacks on non-Moslem religious minorities, and other Moslems because of religious differences are regular occurrences in Moslem nations, why should they behave differently in the West?
The notion that Islamic beliefs and practices can be reconciled to liberal democracy without transforming Islam is naive and self-destructive. Islam is a totalitarian ideology and of course its adherents are alienated and uncompromising, no amount of multi-culti pixie dust and self-reflection will make any difference. The problem is the cultural baggage Moslems bring with them. Sweden, that (somewhat smug) exemplar of anti-racist policies and the successful integration of immigrants has learned a lesson the hard way over the past few days-- http://www.theage.com.au/world/swedes-seek-answers-as-riots-leave-suburbs-alight-20130526-2n56d.html So, although it's a thoughtful and interesting article, I don't think that the author has really identified the problem--sometimes the "Other" really is a threat. Posted by mac, Monday, 27 May 2013 2:48:49 PM
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Last month Jack Tytell was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering two Palestinians.
Quote According to the indictment, in around May 1997, when Tytell was still in the US, he decided to murder Palestinians and came to Israel for that purpose, smuggling a gun into the country by hiding it in a VCR. He spent his first weeks in Israel with friends in Jerusalem. He managed to acquire bullets for his smuggled gun, and began seeking out a suitable victim. The indictment states that he chose to murder an Arab taxi driver because he thought he could ask the driver first to drive him to a suitable spot. On June 8, 1997, he went to the Arab taxi stand at Damascus Gate in Jerusalem, the indictment says, where he hired Balbisi and asked him to drive him to a hotel. After driving for a while, Tytell told Balbisi to stop and wait, then proceeded to shoot the Palestinian man in the head at point-blank range. The indictment also charges Tytell with the murder of a second Palestinian man, Beduin shepherd Isaa Mousa’af Mahamada, who was shot dead near the West Bank settlement of Carmel, near Hebron, in August 1997. End quote http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Terrorist-Teitel-sentenced-to-life-for-murders-309222 He also attempted to kill Christianised Jews. He doesn't quite fit the description of 'home grown' but it is pretty close. Do we now blame the ideology of Judaism for his actions? Posted by csteele, Monday, 27 May 2013 3:02:22 PM
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Maybe if the grown men of the world were not such small people in mind and thought they would consider this is just another murder and stop turning it into something else.
Cameron sounded like a prat ranting how they won't give in to terrorism, yet he expects that the Iraqis and Afghans should just give into our terrorism. Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Monday, 27 May 2013 3:47:53 PM
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Here's the full text of the killer's speech to camera again, he's not mad, he's lucid and in control of his emotions, there is no need to wonder why or to ask these searching questions, here it is in black and white:
“The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers, and this British soldier is one, is a eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. By Allah, we swear by the Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. So what if we want to live by the Sharia in Muslim lands. Why does that mean you must follow us and chase us and call us extremists and kill us? Rather you lot are extreme. You are the ones. When you drop a bomb, do you think it hits one person or rather your bomb wipes out a whole family. This is the reality. By Allah, if I saw your mother today with a buggy I would help her up the stairs. This is my nature. But we are forced by the Qur’an in Sura at-Tawba [Chapter 9 of the Qur'an], through many, many ayah [verses] throughout the Qur’an that [say] we must fight them as they fight us, a eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth. I apologise that women had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments. They don’t care about you. Do you think David Cameron is gonna get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think the politicians are going to die? No it’s going to be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so we ca.., so you can all live in peace. Leave our lands and you will live in peace. That’s all I have to say. Allah’s peace and blessings be upon Muhammad.” Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 27 May 2013 4:44:43 PM
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http://youtu.be/-SoXs-0_rHY