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Are same sex ties the bonds that break the Libs? : Comments

By Thomas Ryan, published 22/5/2013

The adventures of British Conservative leader David Cameron with same sex marriage ought to warn Australian Liberals off.

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Raycom
I agree. Marriage along with birth and death are all organic affairs and affect state statistics on population, as procreation and death change the popuation of the State. Homosexual relationships have nil affect on population state.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 9:40:57 AM
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Dear onthebeach,

To make a few corrections for you.

Firstly my claims are not "unfounded" but are actually
based on legal facts given by lawyers such as Slater and Gordon,
amongst others, who tell us that, "Federal legislation
should not seek to privilege particular parts of our
community over another...That is descrimination."
Whether you choose to recognise it or not - the law states
otherwise.

The lawyers point out, that the Marriage Act should be
amended to define marriage as the "union of two people'
irrespective of sex, sexual orientation and gender
identity." Changes to the Marriage Act giving equality to
all is a reform that needs to be done."

And again, legal experts tell us that the Marriage Act
"privileges heterosexual relationships while undermining
same-sex relationship recognition..."

Finally although the government currently is not in favour
of amending the Marriage Act, for political reasons, and this
being an election year, the "Marriage Equality
Amendment Bill 2013" will be put to a vote before the Senate.
The next time it just may get through. Who knows.
Politicians are beginning to view things differently with
countries like New Zealand making changes.

This information is currently available on the web.
You can Google it for yourself as I've done.
And if you did you would discover that these facts do not change
simply because you choose to ignore them.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 7:32:56 PM
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Lexi,

You must not have read my post of Monday, 27 May 2013. Hereit is again for you,

<Once again the lie that gays are somehow being denied their rights.

It is balderdash isn't it? Because if it were true, activists would be beating a path to the Australian Human Rights Commission.

No, the truth that is the opposite applies. The Gillard government has declared that it removed all discrimination against gays by over 80 law changes taken some years ago. The Australian Human Rights Commission does not believe that the Marriage Act discriminates against gays>

You are saying that the Gillard government, the Australian Attorney Generals Departmnent and the Australian Human Rights Commission are liars.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 8:25:15 PM
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Dear Lexi,

"Federal legislation should not seek to privilege particular parts of our community over another...That is descrimination."

If discrimination is a bad thing, then why are children not allowed to drive?

"Changes to the Marriage Act giving equality to all is a reform that needs to be done."

Sure there need to be changes to the Marriage Act - it should be repealed!
(that would also satisfy Slater and Gordon's demand for equality to all)
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 8:34:14 PM
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Dear onthebeach,

Again a few corrections:

As far as Gays are concerned -
The Gillard government certainly has made changes
in areas dealing with social security, taxation, Medicare,
veteran's affairs, workers' compensation, educational
assistance, superannuation, child support... However
it has not made any changes to the laws governing
marriage. As Slater and Gordon lawyers point out -
"Federal legislation should not seek to privilege
particular parts of our community over another."

You keep quoting the Human Rights Commission - kindly
check your facts and the context and case to which
a comment was made by someone in that Department. It does
not represent the views of the Department.

The Attorney General's office comments only on the law as
it currently stands. It does not take sides on legal
matters. And as lawyers point out - "The Marriage Act
should be amended to define marriage as the union of
two people' irrespective of sex, sexual orientation and
gender identity."

Dear Yuyutsu,

We're talking about changes that should be made to the
Marriage Act as it currently stands. Because it does
privilege heterosexual relationship while undermining
same-sex relationship recognition.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 30 May 2013 10:35:42 AM
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Lexi,
Please tell us how the current marriage act discriminates against Homosexual relationships? beside not registering them with the State.
What rights and responsibilities do they not have?

The actual marriage is not the paper or the registration, or the love that exists between two people. Do not define marriage of two people who love each other or live in the same household, because that discriminates against two sisters, two brothers or mutual friends who do not wish to consider themselves as married. Why? Because they do not have sexual intercourse with each other. Marriage is mutual sex in a committed exclusive relationship.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 30 May 2013 11:23:48 AM
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