Thanks for your answer Chris. It helps to know where others are coming from.

I would suggest you look very carefully at all these ideas for alternate power generation as they come along.

So far we have ethanol in petrol. Not only is it ridiculously more expensive than petrol, it generates more CO2 than petrol.

Wind power is killing people as it is so expensive they could not afford to heat their homes in these very cold, [must be global warming] winters in Europe.

Solar likewise. Even the Germans have realize it is destroying their economy with alternate energy subsidies.

We tried biomass here in Qld, using sugar cane residue. Worked almost OK in the crushing season, but cost millions to run on other fuels in winter. The plant was auctioned off at a loss of a hundred million to tax payers.

As with all biomass tried, the cost of transporting the fuel to the powerhouse was only exceeded by the amount of increased cO2 generation.

We had a saying in the navy "bull sh1t baffles brains", & that has proven very true when it comes to all forms of alternate energy tried so far. I'm sure we will come up with new practical alternate energy generation eventually, but I am equally sure it will not come out of government funded research, particularly that conducted in universities.

Hasbeen, i agree good ideas come from anywhere.

One can remember how the govt institutions bagged one farmer for his eco sustainbale practices, yet now they embrace his methods. I used to cack myself at the arrogance trying to dismiss someone who proved them all wrong, because it was obvious he was right. One could see his property prospering while those around him looked like deserts in comparative terms.

I, for one, am not interestd in what the status quo says just because they maybe the dominant institution. A good idea, that both works and is cost realistic and viable, is what we all should be interested in.

"We make ceramic fuel cells here.
And it shows just how uninformed the uninformed really are, given one poster described them as>ceramic microbes<!
This really does smack of moribund denialism; or, a vested interest in the status quo."

What is the Kwh cost of electricity produced by Ceramic Fuel Cells Ltd?

What is their source of rare metals such as lanthanum strontium manganite which are typically used in the cathode?

What is the prospect of scaled up CFCs supplying grid power?

The only thing I have a vested interest in is being against stupidity and pie in the sky thought bubbles; if the only advantage of BlueGen is to cut CO2 emissions then it is stupid; if it can replace coal, gas and nuclear at an equivalent price than good and well.

Poirot, I see Trenberth has a recent paper where he summises deep OHC is increasing but not upper level OHC due to increased global winds:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract

But global winds are falling:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/AMSR-E-ocean-surface-wind-anomalies.png

How do you explain that?

Dunno, cohenite,

Why don't you ask Lord Monckton?

He's full of it on this otherwise informative video.

http://takvera.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/arctic-sea-ice-death-spiral-lord.html

(That's if you don't mind listening to actual climate scientists talking about the Arctic melt)

Well cohenite, there you have it, the sum total of the warmertariat solution is zero, unless of course you count the hysterical rehashing of all the things that have already failed.

It’s curious that all these well informed advocates can offer is more of the same, more of their scientific links, more green solutions, more alarmism and more abuse.

It is this very mantra that has been put to the test and failed globally, no Kyoto, no emissions trading and no green energy industries, they have all collapsed and yet they continue to spout the stuff that failed them in the first place.

When asked what they think should be done to revive the collapsed global infrastructure they have absolutely no response, just endless repetition of the mantra that the world has already rejected.

Once upon a time they had a global infrastructure driven by their mantra, now they just have the mantra and the world has rejected them.

Their response? More mantra, more mantra.

Do they realize they need to put their case to those who have abandoned them and not us? We can’t do anything for them.

spindoc,

"Do they realise they need to put their case to those who have abandoned them and not us? We can't do anything for them?"

Well that's a hoot, spindoc.

You spend the first half of your post ridiculing people for not plastering solutions on this little old common garden variety inexpert forum - and then you say it's no use telling you anyway.

Here's a tip - the people who do understand the science "aren't here". They have got better things to do than waste their time arguing with deniers on general forums.

People like me enjoy a bit of stoush and offer up inks to people with expertise...nothing more, nothing less.

This forum is not a place to argue the technicalities of the actual science.

It's an opinion forum inhabited in the main by laymen.