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'Climate change' gets the heave-ho in the Budget : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 17/5/2013No longer are we hearing glowing accounts of how investing in new technologies will lead to a 'green-jobs' revolution.
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Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 17 May 2013 11:30:47 AM
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Hasbeen
Hear hear. Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 17 May 2013 12:44:53 PM
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Hasbeen, our chemistries are probably quite similar, but I am happy to admit that you're absolutely right about the importance of physics and maths in climate science. Indeed, the American Institute of Physics 'Discovery of Global Warming' is a great place to understand the basic science. I’m sure you know it backwards but if not, just Google that title and the AIP site comes up. It has more facts than you will ever need. You can go argue with them about the ones you don’t like.
Anyway, there you will see that the Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius was the first (around 1898 – it’s pretty old science) to wonder whether burning fossil fuels might have enough impact on atmospheric chemistry to influence the 'greenhouse effect' that physicists Fourier and Tyndall, amongst others, had earlier invoked to explain the anomalously high temperature of Earth's surface. Those explanations were in place by around 1860. Arrhenius was originally a physicist but in my own field of electrochemical kinetics I depended on his famous Arrhenius equation and his work on electrolytic dissociation and conductivity pretty much every day. So I used to think of him as a fellow chemist. In fact Arrhenius is said to be the founder of physical chemistry so I think I can be excused. If current climate science turns out to be less predictive than the present orthodoxy accepts then it won’t be because there’s a conspiracy afoot or because carbon dioxide cannot affect climate (as Hasbeen seems to be implying) but because there were other factors not properly understood and/or quantified. As I said, one can only hope, but in the mean time we need to be sensible and prepare. Posted by Tombee, Friday, 17 May 2013 12:52:35 PM
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Rhrosty,
You say << The climate change debate here in this country, has been poisoned by patently partisan politics; and, by some very poor choices by tin ear Labor >>. You may well be right but I have just one follow up question, so who poisoned the climate change debate across the rest of the planet? Or are we to blame for that also? Here’s a tip Rhrosty, ssshhh, quit whilst you’re ahead and no one notices you. Posted by spindoc, Friday, 17 May 2013 1:01:08 PM
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No, Hasbeen, when Blind Freddy opens his eyes he will see, as could you if you looked, countries like China angling for a seat on the Arctic Council so they will have access to a trade route across the top of our planet when the summer sea-ice fully melts in the not so distant future.
There are also the billions of barrels of oil and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas that the melting ice has, or soon will, make accessible. The scramble is already on for those rights. Humans will adapt, or so I hope and believe, because that is what we do. But to pretend nothing is happening with global climate conditions and the resulting weather is simply foolish. Posted by halduell, Friday, 17 May 2013 1:31:22 PM
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spindoc,
I'm sure you'll be pleased to see this (pass it on to cohenite): http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/obama-gives-aussie-researcher-31541507-reasons-to-celebrate-20130517-2jqrh.html Here's a tip, spindoc, ssshhh...don't tell anyone, but I think Obama's in on the conspiracy too! Posted by Poirot, Friday, 17 May 2013 1:55:11 PM
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We have seen the seen the people deceived by the greenies, & the compliant media far too long. Time now for a bit of intelligence to surface.
Yes halduell blind Freddy can see the climate changing, that is until he opens his eyes. That moment of illumination will show him his mistake. He might even make out in the far distance the more intelligent of those climate scientists running for cover.
Those in too deep will try to keep the scam running, but it is over. All we need now is for those true believers among the trusting public to get that illumination, & realize they've been had.
Tombee your chemistry & mine must be a little different. I don't talk about "likely" outcomes. I want facts. How would you like to give us some.
Chemistry is interesting, but it is the physics & math that tell the real story. Thank god the scam is dead. Sure there will still be a bit of dead dog tail waging. That will continue until every scrap of tax payer funds has been vacuumed up, but these will be one lot of death throes it will be a pleasure to watch.