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Clive Palmer and the United Australia Party: third option or Liberal spoiler? : Comments

By James English, published 6/5/2013

Palmer’s small target, big brand politics is set to take Coalition votes.

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He seems to be a little more internet literate than the other party bosses. Or atleast he can afford a half decent internet boffin to run the web media side of things. This article got a footnote mention on the UAP facebook page by the way.

http://www.facebook.com/UnitedAustraliaParty

There is also a facebook group which is something I've never seen before. I don't think the other parties have looked into that. Very active with over 800 members. Quite a bold move on Clive's part allowing interactive discussion. Ofcourse many visitors want to know what the UAP policy structure entails. Precious little response to those queries. http://www.facebook.com/UnitedAustraliaParty

I don't know if Clive is going to run out of steam or keep going with this but I know I won't vote for Abbott after he locked up Pauine Hanson. Gillard is gone I think. People just don't want here there. Every poll says the same. Katter is completely mad and I won't be telling my grandkids I helped that cowboy destroy the nation.

Clive is a proven businessman and has the means to actually achieve his goals. He may split the conservative vote but Katter already did that anyhow. At the state election Katter and his son won their seats but that was it. http://www.KattersAustralianParty.org Katter doesn't have the support or money to make a go of it. Maybe if he swaps preferences with Clive his party will be the next National Party but I'm voting for new blood. I'm sick of the other parties.
Posted by United Australia Party, Monday, 6 May 2013 7:58:50 AM
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Palmer's Party, like Katter's and like the Greens, will never win office on its own.
So the question is, to whom will these three direct their preferences?
The answer is fairly obvious: The first two will eventually send their votes to the Coalition, and the last to the ALP.
Posted by halduell, Monday, 6 May 2013 9:07:16 AM
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The article is assumption built on proposition. Simply put, Clive and his country counterpart are what remains of the moderate middle in today's conservative politics.
I believe Clive has integrity and standards below which he won't go?
I believe he and Katter could nut out a preference swap deal, so that he does spoil the party for the coalition.
Moreover, there is a lot of one nation support still out there looking for candidates to support.
As for Clive standing for Prime Minister, that's is not down to him!
In the extremely unlikely event his party could win enough seats to contemplate that prospect, its not his decision, but rather, the parliamentary party.
And there is a flavour to all this, that is slightly reminiscent of Joh For Canberra! And we all know how that ended.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 6 May 2013 9:10:21 AM
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*Katter doesn't have the support or money to make a go of it. *

This is exactly why Australian politics is in the mess it is now.
Money buys votes.
We have to have a change in the law that bans lobbying.
Posted by Robert LePage, Monday, 6 May 2013 9:18:54 AM
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As already mentioned, Katter's party is already acting as a third wheel, and they're seeking the same groups of voters. The thing is however, nobody who'd intending to vote Katter is likely to put Palmer's group ahead of Katter's group, so Palmer's potential voter base is cut back even further to those conservatives unhappy with Libs, but not willing to vote Katter.

Katter is a nutty fake in my opinion, but it doesn't change the facts that Katter has a platform which has already attracted votes, Palmer's platform is virtually non-existent, and he isn't doing enough development to attract any more than voters cast adrift from any conservative platform base. He's simply heading for a big fail.

PS: Warning, most of the so-called UAP facebook pages are fakes (check their website for the real one).
Posted by Brian Davids, Monday, 6 May 2013 11:58:15 AM
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It is about time someone like Clive Palmer gave Australia an alternative. He is a man of action and he is not a lawyer. The writer of this article has studied law in an Australian or British University, and has missed the point completely. If Clive Palmer and his team can raise the disgraceful conduct of the legal profession since 1952, and the degeneration of the Australian Commonwealth, into a cartel governed series of nine republics, with each political entity having its own Supreme Court and cartel, into which only the chosen can enter then the support he will get will be staggering. There are thousands of people who would be productive and making taxable income, if there were not a parasite class conniving to extract money from them before they make any.

I personally have given away the hope that either Labor or The Liberals are serious about law enforcement, and Clive Palmer and his team, by getting some light to shine into this dark aspect of Australian Society, could strike a chord, and give these people the idea that doing the right thing really is the best option. He has to promise that access to a “court” as spelled in the Australian Constitution, with “judges” as spelled in the Australian Constitution, will be as of right and not subject to any whimsical Judge or Magistrate. This is a Christian right, not a privilege to be given only to lawyers. I would like a dollar for every time I have been refused access to both the Federal Courts of Australia and Supreme Court because I want a jury trial with “judges”, not a Judge.

It must almost be a condition precedent on becoming a member of Parliament that the candidate cannot read and understand plain English. Lets get some educated members who are not afraid of the faceless men. Bob Katter has had years to shine that light, bring it on Clive Palmer.
Posted by Peter Vexatious, Monday, 6 May 2013 12:04:35 PM
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Clive is going to win the votes of redneck Queenslanders. The sort of people who currently vote for the Labor Party or Katter.

I just don't see Clive taking farmers or city peoples' votes. He has nothing in common with them and doesn't share their interests... neither will his party.
He will simply attract more disaffected Labor voters than Katter will. He will reduce the Labor primary vote. Where thosew preferences go is anybody's guess.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 6 May 2013 6:36:57 PM
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imajulianutter,
Looks like you could do with some enlightenment. Rednecks are not as you describe them at all. They're thinking people with a background in working for what they have unlike those who just back every union demand for more than they deserve & don't give a crap how much they deny others by their selfishness.
I think Clive Palmer should be given a chance to make Australians appreciate what they're so carelessly discarding by backing leftist parties.
What makes Palmer so much more appealing to the thinking person ? He's not a lawyer for a start & he can manage, he's proven that. I think he'd make a very good PM.
Posted by individual, Monday, 6 May 2013 6:58:06 PM
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The problem for Clive Palmer is that there is too many right-wing consertive parties in Queensland. I'm a Queenslander, and regardless if your left or right wing there is currently a push for a strong left wing party to stand up to the consertive LNP. I have a suspicion that the media in QLD will ignore the United Australia Party in favour of a left wing party such as Labor. Even the most diehard right wing people are concerned that the right has too much power and dominance in QLD, unlike in other states where its more balanced. Queensland does not have an upper house. In the entire QLD parliament there is roughly only five left wing politicians.
Posted by jason84, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 1:34:09 AM
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A significant point of difference with Big Clive is that he has actually been a successful businessman whereas LNP / ALP / KAP / Greens contenders are exclusively failed something or other with far too many grubby lawyers pulling the strings. Furthermore, his promise to slash handouts to all the has-been parasites is something no other contender has been prepared to mention. Pauline Hanson would be an interesting addition to then UAP, hopefully that will happen before September. Whether the aforementioned mean something to the sheeple is another question but they are major factors for this little black duck. I wish I knew a bit about voodoo because I'd dearly love to stick pins into Woodpecker / RAbbott dolls. Both Greens & KAP are likewise off my radar as I believe they both would do or say whatever to get their snouts in the feeding trough.
Posted by praxidice, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 6:45:38 AM
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Quote Jason: "Even the most diehard right wing people are concerned that the right has too much power and dominance in QLD"

Are you serious? I rather fear you actually believe your own words. No rightwinger was ever thought this, just as no leftwinger has ever been concerned with the leftwing dominance & bias in media reporting.

Quote Praxidice: "Pauline Hanson would be an interesting addition to then UAP, hopefully that will happen before September."

Hanson has nothing to offer. Either Katter or UAP will gain any voter who would vote for her anyway; having her would only alienate most voters; and most importantly, she's only interested in playing spoiler politics. Even as a rightwing non-Liberal, there's no sane reason to touch her with a 10 foot pole.
Posted by Brian Davids, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 9:54:59 AM
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Chances are that what ever votes Clives party receives, will be given to the coalition by way of preferences, because despite the rift, I can't see him supporting either labor or the greens.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 8:33:22 PM
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If Clive wants to make this country more indpendant of the financial Jackals and make us a sovereign state,then he has my vote.

This UN Agenda 21 is another really big issue that wants to make us slaves to a communist one world Govt called the "New World Order" is another demon we must defeat.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:05:10 PM
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No one has suggested that Clive Palmer is dishonest. He has started picking people he knows are also honest for his team. After nearly twenty years of dealing with intrinsically dishonest people, drawn exclusively from the Lawyers of Australia, who have been squeezed like toothpaste from the lawyer tube onto a bench, called Judges and Magistrates it is about time someone who is honest took control.

We do not need one new law in Australia that is not already on the books. What we do need is an honest administration of those laws, by honest people whose job is purely administrative, and not judicial. The creation of a Judiciary by the earliest Politicians, is essentially dishonest, because these people are not authorised by the Australian Constitution, have been subsumed to the service of dishonest Governments, who have and are levying dishonest taxes, to pay themselves unearned large salaries.

To restore honesty and integrity to all Government, all laws must be measured against the yardstick of our Articles of Association. This is the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900, and Constitution. 137 clauses of written English, and it appears our lawyers cannot understand them. It was provided in the Australian Courts Act 1828 that all laws to be enforceable, had to pass an examination by a “court” before they became binding. The Australia Act 1986 did not repeal that Act, but that has not stopped dishonest State Governments creating dishonest one person Courts, and extorting on pain of imprisonment large sums of money from lots and lots of people. It is not democracy when Judges rule the land. So far the calibre of people Clive Palmer has chosen for candidates understand Articles of Association, and corporate governance under a rule of law. Lawyers should not be allowed to make inconsistent Rules of Court, and banned as they were in the United Kingdom until 1872, from being representatives in the House of Representatives. They have a conflict of interest that allows lobbyists to achieve dishonest results.
Posted by Peter Vexatious, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 7:10:21 AM
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Lawyers & the legal / judicial profession generally are unquestionably the biggest obstacle to democracy, accountability & justice. I understand that lawyers were originally banned from political office in Australia. Can anyone advise me as to the circumstances surrounding removal of this ban ?? Its hardly surprising politicians are for the most part bloodsucking parasites when they descended from leeches. One can only hope that Big Clive avoids getting many of these bottom-feeders into the UAP. Certainly most of the current UAP converts 'appear' at least halfway honorable although I sincerely hope the suggestion that Slippery Pete was welcome to join was a joke.
Posted by praxidice, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 9:33:21 AM
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Clive Palmer seems to have good intentions and some good ideas but he comes across as a bit flaky and is a poor communicator. At present I think media interest is all to do with his money. He needs to get past that. The brief UAP 'membership' (or whatever it was) of Peter Slipper over the weekend sends all the wrong messages. It will be interesting to see how the UAP shapes up at the federal election approaches. The outcome seems certain so some fun and fireworks along the way will enliven the tedious process. At the end, I think the electorate will be so busy walloping the Gillard government that the Katterites and Palmistas will be left behind.
Posted by Candide, Monday, 13 May 2013 7:22:13 AM
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The Slippery Pete affair was certainly interesting. As far as I can tell, ANYONE can complete the UAP / PUP party membership application on the party website (which was presumably what the slippery one did), however it then needs to be formally approved by a committee (probably the existing members). There are no advertized phone numbers of other contacts for the UAP / PUP, consequently I suspect the media publicity was staged with the intent of embarrassing Big Clive. There is no doubt that the UAP / PUP committee refused to accept the membership application. I note the comparisons between the UAP / PUP and the KAP. The latter has had quite some time to get established but has gone nowhere fast. Personally I believe the KAP lost a lot of support when some politically correct clown decided the party should seek votes from the gay rights rabble. Remember that bushies (as the core KAP supporters) are typically quite conservative folk who don't want any part of the AC-DC set. Bad move. To his credit, Big Clive has managed to keep clear of that crap, mind you I'm certain the termites are circling the UAP / PUP camp searching for any opportunity to white-ant his policies. We've already seen preliminary attacks by the LNP / ALP and those are likely to intensify between now and September. The RAbbott is no doubt scheming dastardly deeds a la the 'One Nation' business that earned him my everlasting contempt. Karma is a scary thing however, heres hoping it takes an interest in the Mad Monk.
Posted by praxidice, Monday, 13 May 2013 8:07:37 AM
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If Clive Palmer remembers that 65% of all Australians in the last census are still Christian, and still treasure honor and decency, and does his research on why Mark Latham lost in 2004, after being in a winning position seven weeks out from the election, and reads Kevin Rudd's article on this forum in 2004, he will realise that he can win by winning over the Christian vote. The margin for Latham seven weeks out from the 2004 election was the same margin that delivered Kevin Rudd a winner in 2007. Latham lost it by declaring himself an Atheist. That's why Gillard has no chance.

Abbott is a Roman Catholic Christian, but he has been shy about standing up for Christian values. Christian values came as the English Constitution in 1295 as the Magna Carta which removed the right to Judge, from the Priests of the Roman Catholic Church, and vested it in 12 members of the Congregation as advised by Jesus Christ. This angered the Pope and in 1216 the Pope annulled the Magna Carta. In 1295 the English passed as law the Magna Carta we have today. The Pope declared war on England. The Irish and a lot of Scots supported the Pope. Almost 400 years of civil wars resulted, with the English and their Welsh Archers winning them all.

For 200 years Roman Catholics were banned from Parliament until 1829, and the English had a maxim of law that the Pope never sleeps. After the British Empire became so large not enough Protestant administrators were available, Roman Catholic subjects were given equal rights in 1828. The fundamental difference between a Roman Catholic Christian and a Protestant Christian is that a Protestant is encouraged to read the New Testament for himself, whereas a Roman Catholic is expected to rely upon a Priest. When Priests were the best educated members of the community, and most others illiterate, this was the way, but today with almost universal literacy, everyone can read his own Bible. It says, Judge not that you be not judged. All Judges and Magistrates ignore that command.
Posted by Peter Vexatious, Monday, 13 May 2013 8:22:21 AM
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I don't know that anyone who places value on honesty & decency could possibly support any of the present crop of bloodsucking parasites, and certainly NOT the Mad Monk. Remember his part in the 'lets nobble Pauline Hanson' affair ?? Furthermore, anyone who has trained in law is immediately suspect. Those turkeys spend far too much time learning how to turn words inside out for my liking, no doubt why they integrate so well into the contemporary political circus & even more reason why they should be banned from politics in perpetuity. Democracy, accountability and public confidence in the political system can only be achieved when common language is mandatory. The similarity between the RAbbott & Slippery Pete is noteworthy, both failed lawyers, both failed priests, and both extremely nasty devious untrustworthy individuals capable of absolutely anything in pursuit of self-glorification. We had another failed priest as mayor of Brisbane a while back, also a particularly distasteful specimen of inhumanity despite claiming an interest in 'human rights' (predominantly his own)
Posted by praxidice, Monday, 13 May 2013 9:07:23 AM
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Palmer really is too flaky - what happened to the 'two sitting Federal members' who he claimed were going to join his party last week? And why does he persist in using the title 'Professor' when he was A) only ever an Adjunct Professor B) is no longer an Adjunct Professor and C)should only use the title in relation to university matters. I predict his party will disappear after the election, if it manages to survive that long.
Posted by Candide, Monday, 13 May 2013 10:34:56 AM
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If you want to describe any political party as 'flaky', maybe you should consider the Newman / Seeney / Nicholls circus in Queensland. Its gotta take the all-time record for deceptive & misleading conduct/ conveniently arranged financial inquiries / other highly questionable events / members departing under a cloud / CMC interests / jobs for the boys & girls / blatant nepotism and probably a lot more we have yet to discover. The previous Blighter gubmunt was certainly 'interesting' but the UNholy trinity have taken funny business to a whole new level.
Posted by praxidice, Monday, 13 May 2013 11:36:22 AM
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Clive Palmer certainly doesn't have exclusive rights to flakiness, but he'd have to win 'most consistently flaky of the week'. This morning he says he will run for election even if his party isn't registered (just how does he plan to get his members onto a ballot paper if they don't belong to a registered party) and that he is prepared to 'go to jail' over the issue. More likely to be laughed out of court. Needs to learn to engage brain before voicebox. Hope he improves and is in it for the long haul: he is excellent entertainment. The rest of them are too depressing for words.
Posted by Candide, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 1:15:48 PM
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If Clive Palmer can bring fight to the laborals and try to broke the duopoly in this country. Then maybe get my vote? Just like Pauline Hansen tried to do and failed.
Posted by k9zg0, Monday, 3 June 2013 2:19:31 PM
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