De Tocqueville, at the birth of modern democracy: (tried to encourage its best aspects but saw clearly the terrifying potentialities)

"Now it is in the nature of all government to wish to enlarge its sphere continuously. It is therefore very difficult for it not to succeed in the long term, since it acts with a fixed thought and a continuous will on men whose position, ideas, and desires vary every day. Often it happens that citizens work for [the central power] without wanting to. Democratic centuries are times of attempts, innovations, and adventures. There is always a multitude of men engaged in a difficult or new undertaking….They do indeed accept for a general principle that the public power ought not to intervene in private affairs, but each of them desires that it aid him as an exception in the special affair that preoccupies him, and he seeks to attract the attention of the government to his side, all the while wanting to shrink it for everyone else. Since a multitude of people have this particular view of a host of different objects all at once, the sphere of the central power spreads insensibly on all sides even though each of them wishes to restrict it. A democratic government therefore increases its prerogatives by the sole fact that it endures….One can say that it becomes all the more centralized as the democratic society gets older. —Democracy in America— [1833]

"(Let me pause here to observe that questions surrounding children remain some of the most troubling implications of same-sex marriage for those who oppose it. The success of same-sex marriage will not only marginalise the principle that biological parenthood is normal and best. It will mean that the discussion of whether children need their biological mother and father is over for good, because such a claim will be regarded as discriminatory against the necessarily non-biological parent or parents in a same-sex marriage. To be as equally married as anyone else requires that we never again question the various ways children enter these marriages, and whether these means of having children are best for children.) http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/04/30/3747877.htm

^Understand what this means, the state and its legal and administrative functionaries, not your own heredity, will be more important to the legal custody of your own children.

Those flexible of conscience, the ambitious, the striving for worldly position (media, university 'experts', politicians, large corporations, think tanks etc) in late stage democracies only know what would continue and further what they had sacrificed so much to enter, i.e. how to survive - the bringing under central administration of ever more aspects of human life and freedom.

"To be as equally married..." (civilly united) "...as anyone else requires that we never again question the various ways children enter these marriages, and whether these means of having children are best for children.)"

Yup. Is there a problem?

Luciferase,

>Yup. Is there a problem?<

Yup - but only for a lot of normal people of course.

The relevant proposition offers to fling the flood gates wide open, with PC anti-discrimination rendering void any and all opposition to any constructed family 'arrangement' or any means of sourcing 'progeny'.
Marvelous for all the kinks and kooks, but of seriously questionable merit for the general raising of well-balanced children - and with subsequent uncertainty of the fitness of such 'wunderkind' to become meritorious parents themselves.

Welcome to a world of mass-neuroses. Dysfunction - the new 'normal'.

Dear Banjo Patterson.
Why on earth have you brought up Darwinism? I don’t mean to be rude but you seem to be a bit of an old dinosaur in your thinking. That is your own truth, not everyone’s. Populaces get conned, just like the whole Fraudian juggernaut where it dominated the whole health industry for far too long (I think) at the expense of more deserving health issues, such as Autism for one. Are not they not just trends of the day which carry people away from other more pending realities.

“Utopia/dystopia” - yes, dystopia is possible. You are not considering real history. I’m no expert on it but how can you ignore even recent history, like the killing of Russian traditions (yes and their previous monarchy) and the dystopian Stalin leader and Hitler. The Cossacks are even making a rise in Russia today in their military training of the young (a hankering for past traditions, no doubt). You can’t take freedom for granted these days. Anything can happen. The awful financial situation that Weimer Germany found itself in and then what happened? Rothchilds? Usury? Today’s obvious collusions with elites in banks and money dupers in other financial industries that squandered the savings of millions of people and the companies and their thieving executives get off scot free with stupendous bonuses and super pensions to see them off. And the plebs only get robbed. Where is the accountability and justice?

But she’ll be right, mate. I hear the French have become émigrés in about the past 8 years or so. There seem to be a lot of French around Sydney. What’s happening over there? Now they are becoming a socialist state by the sounds of things. Unemployment, not too good? And in Spain, even worse with their socialist government - I’m hearing 60% unemployment and current news in Oz, many Spaniards are now coming here. /Cont..

…/Cont.
But she’ll be right, mate. I hear the French have become émigrés in about the past 8 years or so. There seem to be a lot of French around Sydney. What’s happening over there? Now they are becoming a socialist state by the sounds of things. Unemployment, not too good? And in Spain, even worse with their socialist government - I’m hearing 60% unemployment and current news in Oz, many Spaniards are now coming here.

It’s a strange world today with this combination of corrupt extreme capitalism and impending socialism. It looks like elitism to me. When anything becomes extreme trouble arrives. Then there’s also Islamic extremists which cannot be ignored. We’ve had four terrorist attempts here which were fortunately foiled. But lots of our resources are spent on behind the scenes security.

Extremism in all varieties seems to be occurring today.

The State and their newly formed legislations, I’m very wary. Even Obama has supposed to have brought in new laws making banning street protests, or at least making it very difficult. I need to clarify this.

Lenin invented the concept of Political Correctness used by the Elite and didn’t have trouble finding their Useful Idiots. Why do we have this obsession with Equality to the endth degree? We are only equal to a point. And they banned religion, didnt’ they. They were only full of greed and hate afterall.

Hitler did say, "The bigger the lie…the more people will believe it".