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At the barricades - Boomers vs Gen Y : Comments

By Malcolm King, published 14/2/2013

Young people in Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece will spend the rest of their lives paying for the sins of their parent's generation.

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So the next war will be the Old Grumpies Vs The Me-Me's.

Silly me , I always thought that it would be between Coke and Pepsi !

Incidentlly doesn't the Pension presently cost the Nation $37 Billion as opposed to Family Support which is costing $20 Billon ?

Ask any Baby Boomer as to how much Family Support they recieved .

Over all , This is an Article I can possibly use for at least one other purpose, after I have printed it out , of course.

Obviously I am not part of the "cultural left "
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 14 February 2013 8:51:44 AM
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Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece are bankrupt due to spending on renewable energy; AGW is a classic example of maleovolent old people distorting the world view of youth to support their own egoes, insidious ideology and money grabbing ways; see:

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/lewandowskys-ego.html

AGW is not an intergenerational conflict but a propaganda war waged by some old mongrels aginst the naivety of the young.
Posted by cohenite, Thursday, 14 February 2013 9:31:23 AM
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no doubt within 2 short terms of Government we have seen Australia sink into massive debt. Congratulations Rudd/Gillard. Funny how they always put a big spin on it. WE saved you from the GFC. Only the gullible believe the spin. Election please! Just like WE saved you from the illegal boat people (leading to hundreds or thousands) of deaths. WE saved you from workchoices (sending small business to the wall). What a disgraceful Government. Now WE are going to save you from drugs in sport. The only people saved under this Government are the warmist prophets, the ABC and other tax funded propoganda machines and don't forget the unions.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 14 February 2013 10:08:17 AM
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Yep. But the answer is simple. Let’s step the whole thing back to the 50/60s, & all will be great.

Like the time in about 63, when I watched 6 men spend all day digging a 100 yard trench to lay the sewer pipes to our new house, than all the next day laying pipe, & back filling. Today one man with a trench digger does it in less than half a day, but there go all those jobs.

Do you think today’s kids would actually turn up a dig that trench. Not bloody likely. The whole house cost 3,400 pounds, so they wouldn't have been paid much.

Yep, not much pay those days, but didn’t things cost. I remember my first watch, a 16Th birthday present. I remember because it cost 16 pounds, about my dad’s gross wage for a week. Yep, today’s kids would love it.

I also remember the new Holden cost 1.6 years of dad’s salary. We didn’t get the optional heater in it, couldn’t afford it.

Just imagine a war with today’s kids. It would be all over before they had read the safety instructions. After the putting on the 30+ sunscreen, & the insect repellent,, strapping on their bicycle helmet it would be time for the “GUN”. Now most of these kids know that actually touching one of these things bring instant & agonising death. I reckon it will be powder puffs at 30 paces with this lot, not all that dangerous.

So Na! No war mate, they will just come around, with their hand out, as usual. Come to think of it they defeated us 20/30 years ago, & we have very little left to take.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 14 February 2013 11:01:40 AM
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We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Posted by Houellebecq, Thursday, 14 February 2013 11:38:22 AM
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If anyone is interested in reading an excellent book (Good heavens did he say 'book'? He must be an oldie if he doesn't know books are so like - yesterday!) on apocalyptic thinking at the turn of the first millenium, I'd suggest Tom Holland's 'Millenium'. The parallels with today's fear-based poltics are quite arresting.
Posted by Senior Victorian, Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:20:44 PM
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"They will pay for the sins of their parent's generation."

And the sin of the boomers was... to bring forth generation Y!

Should generation Y repeat their parents' sins, producing generation Z, then next will come... you guessed it... VOOM!

<"Oh no", said the cat, "all they need is more help, help is all that they need, so keep still and don't yelp". Then little cat G took the hat off his head: "I have little cat H here to help us", he said, "little cats H-I-J-K-L and M, but our work is so hard we must have more than them>...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2--VIgp4CM
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 14 February 2013 2:35:51 PM
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Hasbeen is right,
GenY are not capable of mass action, heck they're not even capable of small scale activism without "adult supervision", have you seen the leaders of Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance, they're old greybeards, never fear we're not going to see any Red Army Faction or Provo's from that generation.
A mate of mine was an ASU shop steward through the Howard era, he was horrified by the way the genY kids who at that time were entering the workforce behaved. He said they had no principles whatsoever, they'd sign anything the bosses put in front of them, they'd spy for management and dob on their workmates and pressure their peers to side with the bosses over the union.
The fact is that once my craven Gen X peers get around to plundering the super funds to pay their refugees not to work and finance their solar flare mitigation programs there's going to be nothing left for the kids to steal anyway.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 14 February 2013 7:26:38 PM
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< I enjoy a good apocalypse, Armageddon or bloody revolution. >

I bet you do Malcolm. Fits very well with your constant bashing of those who desire a sustainable Australia and planet and a population size that enables us to achieve it.

< Young people in Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece will spend the rest of their lives paying for the sins of their parent's generation. >

YES, and in Australia, and just about everywhere else…. Because we can’t learn to live sustainably!

Your hypocrisy is extreme, Cheryl…er… Malcolm.
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 14 February 2013 9:47:06 PM
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What a strange article?

Catastrophe? Revolution? I detect nothing of this in any of our current Oz generations - save the usual sprinkling of disenchanted 'miscreants' (as found in every generation, in every culture). In my day the 'breakaways' (as my Mum would call them) were Bogies and Wigies - bits of larrikins, anti-establishment, dressing mostly in shades of black, but without holes in their jeans (few Wigies wore skirts, or, very short), mostly harmless, and not into drugs or binge drinking - didn't have the 'dosh' for that.

Boomers? That would make us Gen 'W' - the Workers! Out of school somewhere through High or Tech High, with a relatively small contingent going on to Uni or Teachers' College and a smattering to Tech College (with varying degrees of success) and the majority going straight to Work! Trades, Trainee-ships, Public Service, Private Enterprise, or self-employed (a sprinkling). Out of the frying pan and into the real world (and some of us 'lucky ones' into Nashos).

Didn't buy a house (terrace) until I was 36 - with a 30% deposit, after working full-time for 17 years - and I was one of the very lucky ones, with very helpful parents - and got married 3 years later. My nephew, Gen X, married and got a house at 34! (also with very helpful parents).

Gen Y? Far greater numbers (per normal population progression) with most seeking Higher education - to snare that motza job with the big moolah - after having had 'formals' almost every year at High (we didn't even have a graduation), and with many taking a 'Gap' to go 'OS' on a 'working holiday'. (Did we get a break? No-sir-ee.) Computers, mobile phones, MP stereos, Super-Mario, and heaps of TV. (We had an electronic calculator, transistor radio and B/W TV. Wow!)

Environmental? Most of us had so much less than subsequent generations, the environment was laughing!

Global Warming - fear mongering? What better way to create the cushy jobs the New Generation feel are their just desserts in this ripping High Tech world?
Posted by Saltpetre, Friday, 15 February 2013 12:35:03 AM
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people in Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece will spend the rest of their lives paying for the sins of their parent's generation.
Malcolm King,
In what way will it be different for Australians having to pay for the sins of Labor ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 15 February 2013 3:49:08 AM
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It's good to see you back Ludwig. I have missed you obsessive compulsive 'end of the world' posts. You do know this article has nothing to do with population and everything to do with generational change and intergenerational equity?

The Stable Population Party like to think population is an 'everything issue' which gives them licence to make comment on EVERYTHING. Save us from these rat tailed, fire stick twirling, social engineers.
Posted by Cheryl, Friday, 15 February 2013 7:50:53 AM
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You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in Zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J.D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run of the house with a big washtub and... hey! Where are you going? (in the car) Anyway, about my washtub. I'd just used it that morning to wash my turkey, which in those days was known as... (cut to mall) ...a walking-bird. We'd always have walking-bird on Thanksgiving, with all the trimmings: cranberries, injun eyes, yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we'd all watch football, which in those days was called baseball...

(later) Eh, why didn't you get something useful, like storm windows, or a nice pipe organ? I'm thirsty! Ew, what smells like mustard? There sure are a lot of ugly people in your neighborhood. Ooh, look at that one. Ow, my glaucoma just got worse. The president is a Democrat! Hello? I can't unbuckle my seat belt. Hello? (honks car horn) (entering the house) There are too many leaves in your walkway...
Posted by Houellebecq, Friday, 15 February 2013 8:05:39 AM
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You could have asked 'Grampa', ""Where'd you get all the money?"

"The government. I didn't earn it, I don't need it, but if they miss one payment, I'll raise hell!"

But it will be a short revolution... we just need to zap the SIM cards in their so-called smartphones and Gen Y will be knackered.
Posted by WmTrevor, Friday, 15 February 2013 8:35:45 AM
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"The government. I didn't earn it, I don't need it, but if they miss one payment, I'll raise hell!"
WmTrevor,
Yet another apt description for the average Labor Voter.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 16 February 2013 10:47:45 AM
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When the balloon goes up, I'll be topping my mum. She's old and weak and would be easy to do over. I mean she doesn't work any more and would only spend her money on food and pokies anyway.

But that is what Malcolm is asking us to not do isn't it?
Posted by Bugsy, Saturday, 16 February 2013 10:55:20 AM
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The framework we operate from around here is simply encapsulated in the observation that there has never been global economic recovery with oil prices above $100 over barrel. That is shorthand for the idea that oil is the primary lubricant of economic growth and that it is not just the amount of oil one has to burn but also the quality, or net energy, of the oil that matters.

If we want to understand why all of the tried-and-true monetary and fiscal efforts have failed, we have to appreciate the headwinds that are offered by both a condition of too-much-debt and expensive energy. Neither alone can account for the economic malaise that stalks the world.
Unquote:

If you want to understand what is going on this article may answer
some of your questions. It is from an American perspective but so
much rings true.

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-02-15/the-real-reason-the-economy-is-broken-and-will-stay-that-way
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:13:14 PM
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Wow - as a member of the older end of Generation Y, I never realised I was so pathetic. I seem to have made do quite nicely without government handouts, bludging off my parents, excessive medication or all of the other sins of my generation. I've learnt to pay my own way, which is a good thing - my peers and I have entered the adult world on the assumption that there'll be no pension or other support when we start slipping out the other end - and that's fine. We've had plenty of notice, and we're working around that. Perhaps there are two Generations Y: Y1 and Y2. Perhaps I've grown up in one, completely unaware of the existence of the other. All the charges levelled against my generation seem so inaccurate when I consider the people I have grown up with.

One thing I will say, though, is that the assumption that people wait around for their parents to die so they can inherit money and pay their debts sickens me a bit. Do people really do that? Do people factor inheritance into their lifetime budgets? I'm a little disturbed.
Posted by Otokonoko, Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:32:30 PM
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Do people factor inheritance into their lifetime budgets?
Otoknonko,
Sadly, that is so. Even worse is the fact that Government is toying with the idea of our retirement age being put up to 67 so that we use at least two years worth less Pension.
Why ? Because public Servants have begun to outnumber us & their Super which is better than ours is funded by us.
So every year of pension they can deny us will go towards propping up their pensions. Many of which will be public servants who have only been in the country for less than 20 years.
Most of our social security funding which we provided has already gone towards many of those who hardly contributed 50 cents.
The Victorian teachers strike for more pay is a clear indication of how our public servants so shamelessly demand ever more without giving us who provide that funding, a single thought of concern. Those who have clean 9-3 jobs want more than the worker who gets dirty in 8-5 shifts. It really has turned into a me, me, me scenario. Unions have lost the plot long ago with their demands.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 17 February 2013 7:21:41 PM
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